New TVR still under wraps!

[m4tti]

That’s actually somewhere remote in Wales

[fullpull]

Well, things are clearly moving forward.

[Wacky Racer]

To be serious, I would be very worried if I were Les, this thread on probably the UK's biggest TVR forum is making TVR look like a laughing stock, I understand they can't come on here every week with an update, but still, ...it's turning into a joke fest.

You deposit holders must have nerves of steel...(Or more money than sense)

Come on TVR, pull your finger out and fess up, it's in your own interests.

[450Nick]

Wacky Racer said:

the UK's biggest TVR forum is making TVR look like a laughing stock

I agree, I do wish you lot would be quiet and leave them to it. I don't see TVR fans here, I see a pack of wolves looking for any opportunity to hamper and talk down TVRs efforts. It is not shock to me whatsoever that it's taken them a long time to reach production, and they have given more information that they needed to about progress - they owe us nothing in that respect. If it were my company I wouldn't say anything at all until it were ready for release; especially given the response of this forum.

[Monkeylegend]

450Nick said:

Wacky Racer said:

the UK's biggest TVR forum is making TVR look like a laughing stock

I agree, I do wish you lot would be quiet and leave them to it. I don't see TVR fans here, I see a pack of wolves looking for any opportunity to hamper and talk down TVRs efforts. It is not shock to me whatsoever that it's taken them a long time to reach production, and they have given more information that they needed to about progress - they owe us nothing in that respect. If it were my company I wouldn't say anything at all until it were ready for release; especially given the response of this forum.

With respect, when as a fledgling company, you have taken a considerable sum of money from people based on a promise to deliver a product they desperately want, you owe them something.

Imagine the outcry if this had been one of those fake traders who had pursuaded people to part with large sums of money, and had sat on this money for the last 4 years or so, giving nothing back.

TVR should not promise regular updates and talk about big news when they seem to have no intention of being able or wanting to keep those promises.

They started the whole thing rolling, it is only natural that people want to hear what progress is being made.

They were happy to communicate progress when it suited them, you can't then shut down the PR side and expect people to just sit back and not get a bit suspicious.

I think the overwhelming feeling on here is that we want TVR to succeed but there comes a point when no matter how positive you want to be, the current situation is not helping. Many posters here, including myself, have owned TVRs, a lot still do, and to say we are not fans of TVR is wrong.

If things are still ok, but being further delayed, just say so, but they won't of course because they know it is now 4 years or so and they need to keep the current deposit holders hanging on in there.

If you don't think the whole thing is a PR disaster and TVR have behaved impeccably, then your head must be buried very deep.....................


.....................or you are desperate for a ride in a helicopter

[N7GTX]

^^^^^ this.

Delays are going to happen, everyone understands that. But its the promises. Promises, promises, promises. And they never happen. Still waiting on the 'big news' announced last year for goodness sake. Yes, there are the very occasional updates and a new director is announced. First thing he says is there will be an update at the end of the month when he joined - that was March. Now he has gone totally silent so I'm not sure if you will get your helicopter ride?

[swisstoni]

450Nick said:

Wacky Racer said:

the UK's biggest TVR forum is making TVR look like a laughing stock

I agree, I do wish you lot would be quiet and leave them to it. I don't see TVR fans here, I see a pack of wolves looking for any opportunity to hamper and talk down TVRs efforts. It is not shock to me whatsoever that it's taken them a long time to reach production, and they have given more information that they needed to about progress - they owe us nothing in that respect. If it were my company I wouldn't say anything at all until it were ready for release; especially given the response of this forum.

I agree with you. I wonder if Wheeler had promised regular updates when he was working on the Griffith, what the reaction would have been.

‘Fred”s broken his finger so that’s going to hold up chassis production.
Margaret’s now not coming back from maternity leave and Roger and Derek aren’t talking since Friday night.
So we basically haven’t got a clue at the moment’

[m4tti]

swisstoni said:

I agree with you. I wonder if Wheeler had promised regular updates when he was working on the Griffith, what the reaction would have been.

‘Fred”s broken his finger so that’s going to hold up chassis production.
Margaret’s now not coming back from maternity leave and Roger and Derek aren’t talking since Friday night.
So we basically haven’t got a clue at the moment’

Good point Swissmoani, although new TVR can’t give us those kind of updates either as there’s no workforce

[PuffsBack]

"they have given more information that they needed to about progress - they owe us nothing in that respect" - to be fair the reverse is also true. They didn't start this out of the goodness of their heart, they saw a business opportunity to bring back a much loved marque with the aim of making a profit. If they then screw up the PR and further damage the marques image then the wolves owe them nothing either.

[anonymous-user]

swisstoni said:

I agree with you. I wonder if Wheeler had promised regular updates when he was working on the Griffith, what the reaction would have been.

‘Fred”s broken his finger so that’s going to hold up chassis production.
Margaret’s now not coming back from maternity leave and Roger and Derek aren’t talking since Friday night.
So we basically haven’t got a clue at the moment’

At that time TVR had a series of current car models, ongoing production, employees and a dealer network. If internet was around then they would certainly have kept things jogging along.

Rather different from now.

Now is starting from nothing. So we are all exasperated at the continuation of the nothing.

[PuffsBack]

Oh and I am 100% a TVR fan. Owned a Chimaera, Griffith, Cerbera and a Sagaris (and a Typhon if one ever comes up for sale! )

I cannot wait until this Saturday. The Sagaris has been couped up in my in laws garage 100 miles away for the last 6 months after I moved house. Currently having a new cart lodge built to house it and as the weather looks cracking this weekend I am going to bring her home. Silly excited!!

[anonymous-user]

PuffsBack said:

"they have given more information that they needed to about progress - they owe us nothing in that respect" - to be fair the reverse is also true. They didn't start this out of the goodness of their heart, they saw a business opportunity to bring back a much loved marque with the aim of making a profit. If they then screw up the PR and further damage the marques image then the wolves owe them nothing either.

I've read that three times and can only think of it being said in Game of Thrones speke

[Biggriff]

Even the die-hards seem to be backing out of their deposits. All but one of my mates has thrown in the towel.

By the time it arrives it will be like a Model T.

[Tyre Smoke]

So, despite being put arrogantly and firmly in my place, we are still no further forward on answering whether the deposits are safe or not, and how many are left in and how many have pulled out.

I'd sat it's a significant number of returned deposits. Obviously I don't know, but even if you have the cash to drop on a £90k car, you still don't want to lose £2.5 or £5k do you?

If I had a deposit down, I'd have pulled it long ago. Whilst I'd love to see TVR back in production (just not that ugly creature) it's becoming blindingly obvious to everyone except those that won't look, that this isn't going to happen.

[450Nick]

PuffsBack said:

"they have given more information that they needed to about progress - they owe us nothing in that respect" - to be fair the reverse is also true. They didn't start this out of the goodness of their heart, they saw a business opportunity to bring back a much loved marque with the aim of making a profit. If they then screw up the PR and further damage the marques image then the wolves owe them nothing either.

Of course they don't, they're a group of people trying to design and build a product to sell. As has been seen on countless kickstarter projects; things very rarely go to plan, particularly when involving governments and regulators. I think TVR made a mistake in giving the updates that they have, and probably in taking deposits in the first place. I get that they wanted to gauge the demand and build up some hype, but all it has done is cause the fans to turn on them in a lot of respects and blast a huge amount of negativity their way for doing something that was well intended. Les has done a stellar job in trying to placate the angry mob in giving a lot more detail around the process than you could expect from any other car company in its design phase. How about everyone simply say "well done so far, good luck with getting it the rest of the way and cant wait to see it on the road" then maybe go to the pub and wait until something is announced. That'd be lovely.

[Monkeylegend]

450Nick said:

That'd be lovely.

But then back in the real world....

It's not the way to run a business.

[Tyre Smoke]

Exactly.

What a lot of people forget is TVR are not Porsche or Mercedes. They are potentially a tiny manufacturer of sports cars. In order to sell those cars, they need to be inclusive and media friendly in order to build the brand.

If Porsche launch a new model, it will sell. Simply because of brand image and company infrastructure. TVR could launch, and not sell anything of significance by comparison.

[unrepentant]

Tyre Smoke said:

Exactly.

What a lot of people forget is TVR are not Porsche or Mercedes. They are potentially a tiny manufacturer of sports cars. In order to sell those cars, they need to be inclusive and media friendly in order to build the brand.

If Porsche launch a new model, it will sell. Simply because of brand image and company infrastructure. TVR could launch, and not sell anything of significance by comparison.

A few months ago there was big talk of 2,000 units a year and selling it in the US!

I don't think these people are crooks but I do thing they are incompetent and lack even a basic understanding of PR. "Under promise and over deliver" is clearly not a phrase that any of them have ever heard.

By taking deposits (3?) years ago and talking the project up they set expectations. They have abjectly failed to deliver on those expectations.

As I suspected from the start all this has done is sullied the name of TVR. That's a shame because apart from the name there is no connection between this debacle and the brand that most of us love.

[Tyre Smoke]

Or the stickers on an unrelated LMP1 car!

[colin mee]

Have they released any colours or trim option