New TVR still under wraps!
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From a quick Google search, I'd say it's the Ivanpah Solar Power Facility. I remember reading an article about this type of solar plant (concentrated solar power) in New Scientist back in the 90s and thinking that it sounded like pure science fiction Then again, I seem to remember that the article was proposing farms with central towers taller than 1km, which still is science fiction. Still, it's amazing what can be done if you throw enough time and money at a problem - now, if only they could crack fusion power...
Many people build cars in their home garage, with the myriad of automotive and motorsport facilities in the UK it would be very easy to hand build a few cars and put them through IVA and get them out for testing.
The lack of a factory is just a convenient distraction from the fact that they have no investors.
The lack of a factory is just a convenient distraction from the fact that they have no investors.
I think they should have started with a cheaper Porsche boxter (but more raw) or a lotus Elise type car to get sales and processes set up and people into the brand again.
This car is far too niche to succeed as a startup and it looks too divisive.
The group of people able to buy this car isn’t that large and they have lots of other fantastic options in the price range. Sure they’re not exactly the same but very few people only want the options that this car ticks.
TVR before was sold to young people that didn’t want a Porsche (like I was) or older people whose kids had left home or they were having a mid life crisis. This car only really works for the older group now and many of them are people used to things getting done and not going to put up with this rubbish communication.
This car is far too niche to succeed as a startup and it looks too divisive.
The group of people able to buy this car isn’t that large and they have lots of other fantastic options in the price range. Sure they’re not exactly the same but very few people only want the options that this car ticks.
TVR before was sold to young people that didn’t want a Porsche (like I was) or older people whose kids had left home or they were having a mid life crisis. This car only really works for the older group now and many of them are people used to things getting done and not going to put up with this rubbish communication.
There is no money. It's fast running out.
Les has already said he needs more investment to even build the factory.
He should have built a few cars in a small facility, the 500 deposits should have helped that along, SVA'd the cars and got them out to the motoring press.
Instead, he's wasted tens of thousands if pounds on a vanity project to put stickers on a LMP1 car.
It looks like, with the lack of any updates, that he is conning a lot of people for his own gratification with no morals.
Les has already said he needs more investment to even build the factory.
He should have built a few cars in a small facility, the 500 deposits should have helped that along, SVA'd the cars and got them out to the motoring press.
Instead, he's wasted tens of thousands if pounds on a vanity project to put stickers on a LMP1 car.
It looks like, with the lack of any updates, that he is conning a lot of people for his own gratification with no morals.
It seems like Les Edgar has been over ambitious and perhaps got carried away with owning a sports car brand, trying to build a GT winning track car and going to lemans.
I agree with the previous posts. I also couldn’t see why with this fantastically efficient iStream process that we’ve been told about, why these initial cars could not be put together in a small factory unit, just to get some cars out there on the road.
Surely it is now time for Mr Edgar to come clean and tell the depositors what is really happening with their cars.
I agree with the previous posts. I also couldn’t see why with this fantastically efficient iStream process that we’ve been told about, why these initial cars could not be put together in a small factory unit, just to get some cars out there on the road.
Surely it is now time for Mr Edgar to come clean and tell the depositors what is really happening with their cars.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 4th May 13:16
robsco said:
Gazzab said:
And now that ford are stopping manufacturing the engine too. Fubar time.
Is this true?https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-coyote-v8-godzil...
But I doubt it'll last more than a few years before it gets axed completely.
It's 2019, with 2022 new admission stuff (GPS-ISA, BlackBox, etc.) already lurking around the corner. You can't build cars in a shed anymore, at least none that will be allowed to drive on a public road. And it's hard to make it profitable even in scale. So "handbuilding in a shed" is on opposing ends with "make it 2019-regulations compliant" and "cheaper". Also i-Stream only gets you to the chassis easier, it's not popping out finished cars with the flick of a switch.
Also, trying to make a cheaper car, like a Lotus Elise, as suggested, wouldn't have made any difference. They would still have to outsource, still have to engineer, still have to get financing, still have to get type approval, still have to get a factory. At this point, they'd be in exactly the same spot with ANY car. They also couldn't have reused the Sagaris. They would have had to start from scratch there as well.
Also, whether the Griff is too expensive will only be decided once (if ever) it's out.
Taken by face value, the whole venture (leaving the general madness of starting a small scale sports car manufacturer aside) was (hopefull still is) pretty promising:
iconic British brand revival, going for the niche, tech-credibility by GM, government involvement.
The mounting headwinds are breathtaking, though. 3 years ago i would not have thought that public sentiment would swing this fast, but now we got Fridays for future, Brexit, CO2 in every second headline.
The question is not, whether we like the front of the Griff, what's ahead is a series of extinction level events for cars like this.
I'm holding on, either way.
leglessAlex said:
robsco said:
Gazzab said:
And now that ford are stopping manufacturing the engine too. Fubar time.
Is this true?https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-coyote-v8-godzil...
But I doubt it'll last more than a few years before it gets axed completely.
8ball_Rob said:
From a quick Google search, I'd say it's the Ivanpah Solar Power Facility. I remember reading an article about this type of solar plant (concentrated solar power) in New Scientist back in the 90s and thinking that it sounded like pure science fiction Then again, I seem to remember that the article was proposing farms with central towers taller than 1km, which still is science fiction. Still, it's amazing what can be done if you throw enough time and money at a problem - now, if only they could crack fusion power build a bloody TVR...
Tidied that up a little bit 
This thread is about to reach 500 pages. Amazing considering there is no car.
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