New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)

[Tyre Smoke]

Sharing the same rallying cry isn't a great look?

Heaven forbid you have any political allegiances or buy any mainstream car at all.

Morgan are a poor example to choose. They use everyone else's parts, and aren't trying to start from nothing. They have an established business and full order books.

[m4tti]

Morgan is a bad example. It’s a niche of a niche, for people looking to wear goggles driving a car and talk like Dick Van Dyke in chitty chitty bang bang.

The TVR won’t have that sentimental appeal, as it has to compete with other performance cars.

[Penelope Stopit]

Tyre Smoke said:

He said builder, not stonemason.

Besides, it would take at least two years for a design to emerge, be ugly as sin and then all go quiet.

No way, stonemasons work for the wealthy, a builder could make a concrete base and fit a fiberglass headstone, I do agree that a delay in designing the thing could be a problem

[Monkeylegend]

anonymous said:

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In terms of building the one model I don't disagree that the initial demand was apparently there, but even with that TVR have failed to attract sufficient finance to get past building one prototype let alone everything else needed for full scale production.

I see the financing issue as a longer term problem in as much as providing any potential investor the comfort that TVR are here for the longer term which means developing more models.

They clearly can't progress the current model to production with basically one untested prototype. How they expect to develop a range of cars for the future by generating sufficient funds and retain the all so important TVR DNA with current and future legislation is beyond my simple mind.

It seems to me to be a business model doomed never to get off the ground unless some very generous philanthropist appears out of the blue with billions of £'s to waste.

I would love to see them succeed so you can all say I am spouting rubbish and I can eat my own words

[Tyre Smoke]

anonymous said:

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Read what I posted again. I didn't suggest blaming PC was political. I was referring to you saying that 'sharing the same rallying cry' wasn't a good look. In as much that if you follow a political party, it is the same rallying cry as many, as is buying a Ford Focus for example.

Anyway, it's of no matter. TVR is all but dead, they just need to turn off the life support again.

What NewCo should have done, which is posted above, is taken a Sagaris and plonked in some crate V8 and perhaps an off the shelf ABS system. Perhaps with a few styling updates. But then, perhaps there was copyright stuff from the Russian that prevented that? Or Les' ego?

[skwdenyer]

anonymous said:

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When I saw my first Griffith in the flesh in 1991 it was stunning and did not look at all outdated. Not just in comparison to the (comically dated) wedges (of which a neighbour had one), but compared to anything. It was genuinely innovative to look at.

[Don1]

Interesting to see INEOS talking about building cars in South Wales... That would be an interesting partner.

[Pupp]

I half heard 'car production' and 'south Wales' in a radio news bulletin yesterday and dared to wonder before joining the dots.

However, wasn't the initial reveal of the Grenadier in summer 2017? And still not yet producing a refresh of a long established design.

Maybe a ground-up prospect is legitimately slower burn still; or will the PH gurus be telling Sir Jim he better start returning deposits...?

[ianwayne]

On the news, they mentioned Bridgend and that production would begin in 2021. Chassis from Portugal, engine from Germany. There will be skilled ex- Ford employees available next year when the Ford engine plant closes.

Supposed to be a 'no-frills' 4x4 similar to a Land Rover at under £30k. Aiming at over 20k vehicles per year for a new brand seems ambitious to me.

[Pupp]

https://www.eurekar.co.uk/articles/2019-09-18/wale...

Penultimate sentence is interesting... (yes, I know)

[Zeb74]

ianwayne said:

Supposed to be a 'no-frills' 4x4 similar to a Land Rover at under £30k. Aiming at over 20k vehicles per year for a new brand seems ambitious to me.

Moreover with a 6 cylinders and auto gearbox from BMW. Under £30k? Seriously?

[Gazzab]

I think the target price is within 10-15% of a pick up (or something like that) - that would put it at early £30k’s.

[N7GTX]

Don1 said:

Interesting to see INEOS talking about building cars in South Wales... That would be an interesting partner.

"Working with BMW will give Grenadier proven and quality power units and allow Ineos to cut development time while meeting tough emissions regulations and open the door to future hybridization of the Grenadier."

That all sounds like a business plan.

[m4tti]

N7GTX said:

"Working with BMW will give Grenadier proven and quality power units and allow Ineos to cut development time while meeting tough emissions regulations and open the door to future hybridization of the Grenadier."

That all sounds like a business plan.

It’ll never work. Are they using iStream

It’s the future of car building you know.

[baconsarney]

Didn’t the original deal with mr Smolensky include ‘the moulds’... which would suggest newco could have used them.. stunning styling with a few simple updates, revised underpinnings, power train, safety compliance... imagine a modern Cerb with 6 or 7 hundred horsepower... look at what Eagle did with the e type shape... or Singer with the early 911 bodies... the possibilities were endless.. now that would have really been something...

[bullittmcqueen]

Germany's long expected climate cabinet meeting is currently under way, press conference at 2:30pm. Major measures and plan expected (Well, wait and see, but things start moving). Wonder where 500bhp, 5L V8's fit in the program

[N7GTX]

baconsarney said:

Didn’t the original deal with mr Smolensky include ‘the moulds’... which would suggest newco could have used them.. stunning styling with a few simple updates, revised underpinnings, power train, safety compliance... imagine a modern Cerb with 6 or 7 hundred horsepower... look at what Eagle did with the e type shape... or Singer with the early 911 bodies... the possibilities were endless.. now that would have really been something...

Not forgetting the LS3 Interceptor.

[N7GTX]

Isn't it exciting waiting for the update coming in the next 7 days? LE promised he would update us all the news from the August statement: factory start date, investment partner (the BIG news), pre-production etc etc.
Make or break time perhaps?

[skwdenyer]

baconsarney said:

Didn’t the original deal with mr Smolensky include ‘the moulds’... which would suggest newco could have used them.. stunning styling with a few simple updates, revised underpinnings, power train, safety compliance... imagine a modern Cerb with 6 or 7 hundred horsepower... look at what Eagle did with the e type shape... or Singer with the early 911 bodies... the possibilities were endless.. now that would have really been something...

ISTR quite a few moulds left for scrap outside the old factory. Which ones were saved?

[Granturadriver]

This https://wiesmann.com/pages/project-gecko reminds me to another newco we are talking about!

And they also use the same marketing style, (sketches, wrapped car) and language (true DNA).

But they haven't unveiled the car yet, although this was announced to happen "in the course of September".