New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
El stovey said:
Monkeylegend said:
Just looking again at the rear end shot of the Griffith and it looks a mess. Looks like a lady hitching up her long evening gown to avoid standing on it while she is walking.
And she hitches it up too far and it turns out she’s got a big meat and two veg.
And its not a pretty sight.
So, anyone know who actually designed ‘new’ Griff? I’m guessing the person or team that did the Tuscan/T350/Sag were not involved (just talking body style).... so was it an individual, a team, committee, I dunno.. for me it was an epic fail from the off.... not sure what the last quoted price was 90k rings a bell but there’s no way on this earth even with staggering performance that I would shell out 90k of hard earned on something that looks like a £30k Japanese offering. I am firmly of the opinion that if there’s half a chance of moving forward with production of a new car then it needs a major rethink in the looks department. Epic performance, in my opinion, should be accompanied by epic looks... Les, in the unlikely situation that you might read this, please please please have a rethink about the looks, Tuscan was jaw dropping when it came out, new Griff just doesn’t cut it... obviously just in my personal opinion.
baconsarney said:
So, anyone know who actually designed ‘new’ Griff? I’m guessing the person or team that did the Tuscan/T350/Sag were not involved (just talking body style).... so was it an individual, a team, committee, I dunno.. for me it was an epic fail from the off.... not sure what the last quoted price was 90k rings a bell but there’s no way on this earth even with staggering performance that I would shell out 90k of hard earned on something that looks like a £30k Japanese offering. I am firmly of the opinion that if there’s half a chance of moving forward with production of a new car then it needs a major rethink in the looks department. Epic performance, in my opinion, should be accompanied by epic looks... Les, in the unlikely situation that you might read this, please please please have a rethink about the looks, Tuscan was jaw dropping when it came out, new Griff just doesn’t cut it... obviously just in my personal opinion.
Gordon Murray wasn’t it? Looks like three different teams did the front back and sides and then they just stuck it together somehow,
Like those pictures you used to make of people on folded paper where each section is completely different and it ends up becoming a complete person but looks weird.
baconsarney said:
I think electric might be the right avenue to go down..
Yes they will have a convenient charge point if they moved back to this Avenue.https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/business/power-...
baconsarney said:
So, anyone know who actually designed ‘new’ Griff? I’m guessing the person or team that did the Tuscan/T350/Sag were not involved (just talking body style).... so was it an individual, a team, committee, I dunno.. for me it was an epic fail from the off.... not sure what the last quoted price was 90k rings a bell but there’s no way on this earth even with staggering performance that I would shell out 90k of hard earned on something that looks like a £30k Japanese offering. I am firmly of the opinion that if there’s half a chance of moving forward with production of a new car then it needs a major rethink in the looks department. Epic performance, in my opinion, should be accompanied by epic looks... Les, in the unlikely situation that you might read this, please please please have a rethink about the looks, Tuscan was jaw dropping when it came out, new Griff just doesn’t cut it... obviously just in my personal opinion.
It was probably all of them, an individual, a team and a committee. The main designers name is David Seesing. But you can bet any member of your body that there were many many design-iterations and all the investors, Les, all the team of GM had their say and were heard. So if you want to blame anyone, blame them all. Also, the design process probably took the better part of two years. Point is, it's their money on the line and they get the final say in what happens. History will tell if it was a smart choice.
I quite disagree with the rest of your points though. 30k looks ? Where ? Major redesign will not happen. What you see is what you will get ( IF anyone will ever get anything ).
Also, the fisheye pic of the Griff is the worst possible shot of any car ever in all of history. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it's not right to use that one. Actually, the Supra being shown in one of the last few posts is the true disappointment for me.
Funny, was just looking for a pic of the TVR to post here and these are true comments from reddit for the TVR
- I think it’s what the Supra should’ve looked like!
- It's definitely closer
- Looks too expensive for a Supra to me.
bullittmcqueen said:
I quite disagree with the rest of your points though. 30k looks ? Where ? Major redesign will not happen.
This is very subjective, may not look like a £30K car to you but it does to me... major design you say will not happen.. is that a fact or an assumption ? We are all entitled to our own opinion, I respect yours but you should not make assumptions, although you are probably right with regard to major design changes.. why spend money changing something that will never get to production anyway..,baconsarney said:
bullittmcqueen said:
I quite disagree with the rest of your points though. 30k looks ? Where ? Major redesign will not happen.
This is very subjective, may not look like a £30K car to you but it does to me... major design you say will not happen.. is that a fact or an assumption ? We are all entitled to our own opinion, I respect yours but you should not make assumptions, although you are probably right with regard to major design changes.. why spend money changing something that will never get to production anyway..,Might as well uncork the bottle right here and now.
Have to say I quite like the new design, took a while to grow on me mind. The front looks like a modern retake of the original griff, the side is T350 in outline and the rear a bit wild. I think I like that it's not too edgy like a lot of new stuff, but different enough to provoke discussion.
Price wise £90k feels fine to me. What else does that get you? An f type is similar in a lot of respects, but that's 600kg heavier, 600! A base model 992 that looks so mundane no one cares they exist....or a fire breathing n/a v8 in a shell with aero beyond its price point and a raw as can be driving experience. Not a hard choice for me. I feel we all wanted it to be £50k, but maybe we forget in 2020 when a 320d is £40k, that's a fantasy.
Price wise £90k feels fine to me. What else does that get you? An f type is similar in a lot of respects, but that's 600kg heavier, 600! A base model 992 that looks so mundane no one cares they exist....or a fire breathing n/a v8 in a shell with aero beyond its price point and a raw as can be driving experience. Not a hard choice for me. I feel we all wanted it to be £50k, but maybe we forget in 2020 when a 320d is £40k, that's a fantasy.
In the beginning:
According to TVR's CEO Les Edgar, "the first car we release will be a TVR on every level - unapologetic, loud and proud to be British. It will be a Ferrari, Lamborghini and Aston Martin beater on all levels, a giant slayer"!!
Engine - USA. Gearbox - Mexico. Hardly British unless Trump Territory is still under colonial rule? And the rest of the claims are just, well, just b
ks.
According to TVR's CEO Les Edgar, "the first car we release will be a TVR on every level - unapologetic, loud and proud to be British. It will be a Ferrari, Lamborghini and Aston Martin beater on all levels, a giant slayer"!!
Engine - USA. Gearbox - Mexico. Hardly British unless Trump Territory is still under colonial rule? And the rest of the claims are just, well, just b
ks. Of course there is always a 'bad angle' for any car and that is it... note the recent photoshoot in London and it looks pretty impressive IMHO....I'm pretty sure there won't be any big changes to visuals, however its amazing what a change of grill alone could do for aesthetics... Why would they change it anyway.... for everyone the get onboard they will probably lose one!!! TVR's of old may have been 'special' but never appealed to the wider audience, whereas this one is designed to..Those haters and nay sayers will always shout loudest whilst the content will sit back..... 90k... I think its a good value car if you compare the competition..built with safe, tried and tested reliable engineering under the skin... I'll take it...thats the main reason I never owned a TVR of old!!
Seems a factory and funding are the most pressing issues!
Seems a factory and funding are the most pressing issues!
bullittmcqueen said:
It's an assumption, but i'm so sure that i'll send you a good bottle of wine (good by my standards :-) ) if that happens. It looks better than a lot of people here make it seem but it sure is not a the stellar super-flashy pinnacle of car design that everyone was hoping for. How could it. I haven't seen a new car in the last 5 years that really got me. But the main reason it will not happen is money. They'd have to touch everything from front to back, that's just not feasible. The headwinds they face are enormous and the (uncertain) better looks will be more than offset by increasingly adverse political, environmental, economic and zeitgeist conditions.
Might as well uncork the bottle right here and now.
Might as well uncork the bottle right here and now.
Graham007 said:
Of course there is always a 'bad angle' for any car and that is it...
Seems a factory and funding are the most pressing issues!
That sounds like you are trying to convince yourself it still looks good Seems a factory and funding are the most pressing issues!
Okay, this is taken from the official TVR pages. Looks the same to me
Agree, no funding = no factory = no car.
Edited by N7GTX on Sunday 23 February 18:06
It looks rubbish from front and back. Ok from the side. Interior is meh. If I was spending 90k I wouldn’t buy it. Most depositors placed their money before the reveal and before the final pricing. Suspect very few of those still in the game will see it all the way regardless of tvr’s inability to produce a car.
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