New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
Ginetta is depressing testament to what can be achieved when you set out to build road cars with zero experience, a brand of no meaningful value in the segment, no money, no viable product but a cool factory.
Also called being flexible, adaptive to the changing market and finding your niche. They found a profitable market in running race series and building racing cars. Look at the profit figures and profit growth for 17,18,19. glow worm said:
Last year was 2019 and there are no 2020 figures available !!! I wasn't comparing ... I was responding to Baconsarneys question ...Where did it all go wrong ? and that was my opinion.
But 2019 started 21 months ago :-)I am intrigued as to how many road going (customer?) cars they have registered.
Gazzab said:
But 2019 started 21 months ago :-)
I am intrigued as to how many road going (customer?) cars they have registered.
Tell me how many Fords,Vauxhalls, Ferraris, Lambos any car registered (other than TVR) in the last 12 months ... If YOU can't then should I ASSUME the answer is a big fat Zero ? (Your logic )I am intrigued as to how many road going (customer?) cars they have registered.
Edited by glow worm on Sunday 25th October 13:07
LucyP said:
DonkeyApple said:
Ginetta is depressing testament to what can be achieved when you set out to build road cars with zero experience, a brand of no meaningful value in the segment, no money, no viable product but a cool factory.
Also called being flexible, adaptive to the changing market and finding your niche. They found a profitable market in running race series and building racing cars. Look at the profit figures and profit growth for 17,18,19. 
In reality, that’s all they ended up with from the initial plan. They’ve been pretty lucky to salavage that. There won’t ever be any road cars under the current structure. And we can all be thankful that Wheeler didn’t take that £1 offer very seriously. glow worm said:
Gazzab said:
But 2019 started 21 months ago :-)
I am intrigued as to how many road going (customer?) cars they have registered.
Tell me how many Fords,Vauxhalls, Ferraris, Lambos any car registered (other than TVR) in the last 12 months ... If YOU can't then should I ASSUME the answer is a big fat Zero ? (Your logic )I am intrigued as to how many road going (customer?) cars they have registered.
Edited by glow worm on Sunday 25th October 13:07
Where did it all go wrong ?
Being sucked in to a vague promise of an ideal which soon became an adventure playground for TVR critics. We had the wagons in a circle to defend TVR only to be shot in the back by them due to an overt lack of progress.
The award for ‘Overt Marketing and PR Cock Ups In The Face Of The Enemy’ should go to TVR. Made of bits of ‘istream’ bulls
t melted down after their capture at the Goodwood Reveal. We lost some good men there.
Being sucked in to a vague promise of an ideal which soon became an adventure playground for TVR critics. We had the wagons in a circle to defend TVR only to be shot in the back by them due to an overt lack of progress.
The award for ‘Overt Marketing and PR Cock Ups In The Face Of The Enemy’ should go to TVR. Made of bits of ‘istream’ bulls
t melted down after their capture at the Goodwood Reveal. We lost some good men there.baconsarney said:
Crop circles.
Whilst there is a lull in on-topic discussions we could talk about crop circles. Where do they come from? Who makes them? Why are they here? What is their purpose?
So many questions..................
No one ever asks about the giant corn rolls. The fields of Norfolk are littered with them. Surely someone would have noticed aliens landing and making them. Whilst there is a lull in on-topic discussions we could talk about crop circles. Where do they come from? Who makes them? Why are they here? What is their purpose?
So many questions..................
Gazzab said:
No one ever asks about the giant corn rolls. The fields of Norfolk are littered with them. Surely someone would have noticed aliens landing and making them.
See what you mean Gaz, but I've been living in Narferk for 28 years now and I have to say it can be very difficult sometimes to tell the difference between aliens and the indigenous population here In the meantime, here's a recipe for corn rolls.... (just double the ingredients if you want giant ones)
https://cookpad.com/uk/recipes/146056-corn-rolls
baconsarney said:
Crop circles.
Whilst there is a lull in on-topic discussions we could talk about crop circles. Where do they come from? Who makes them? Why are they here? What is their purpose?
So many questions..................
TVR's init.Whilst there is a lull in on-topic discussions we could talk about crop circles. Where do they come from? Who makes them? Why are they here? What is their purpose?
So many questions..................
They often crash into fields due to sudden, massive uncontrollable oversteer, and as they spin across the field they've just crashed into, with the driver maddly flayling at the wheel, they leave these characteristic "corn circles" behind........
Max_Torque said:
baconsarney said:
Crop circles.
Whilst there is a lull in on-topic discussions we could talk about crop circles. Where do they come from? Who makes them? Why are they here? What is their purpose?
So many questions..................
TVR's init.Whilst there is a lull in on-topic discussions we could talk about crop circles. Where do they come from? Who makes them? Why are they here? What is their purpose?
So many questions..................
They often crash into fields due to sudden, massive uncontrollable oversteer, and as they spin across the field they've just crashed into, with the driver maddly flayling at the wheel, they leave these characteristic "corn circles" behind........
Gazzab said:
glow worm said:
Last year was 2019 and there are no 2020 figures available !!! I wasn't comparing ... I was responding to Baconsarneys question ...Where did it all go wrong ? and that was my opinion.
But 2019 started 21 months ago :-)I am intrigued as to how many road going (customer?) cars they have registered.
Does this answer your question?
New UK vehicle registration numbers, during each calendar quarter.
Row 11878 is Ginetta.
DVLA sometimes allocate model Missing to manufacturers development vehicles, but beyond that, it is a mystery.
Column C is 2nd quarter 2020.
Column K is 2nd quarter 2018.
DVLA do not update promptly.
Edited by Jon39 on Tuesday 27th October 09:09
N7GTX said:
Planning application C/2020/0071 that TVR submitted to Blaenau Gwent Council on 6th March 2020 to much fanfare in TVRCC's news pages, is still pending today. Not sure how a possible investor would view this.
I'm losing the will here........
Given the last 6 months alone it has almost no bearing. But even without that it doesn’t have any relevance at the pre-production funding stage. You’d be much more concerned as a potential investor at this point if there was a building because it isn’t needed and it would be a cost for no purpose. I'm losing the will here........
One has to also consider that post C19 there is now a far wider range of building opportunities available and that investors are more likely to be expecting a revision in that regard etc.
It doesn't matter. They will never be funded to manufacture cars. They haven't even taken a lease on the factory, which is the trigger for the Welsh Assembly to engage contractors to refurbish the building.
The chances of the building being rented to someone else, or the chances of the planning permission being turned down are pretty remote, given the type and location of the building and the lack of demand for it, even before Corona came along are pretty small.
Even if that did happen, as DA says, there are plenty of other buildings. They do not need a factory until they have a production ready car. Refurbishing and fitting out a factory is always going to take a much shorter time than getting the old prototype car production ready.
The chances of the building being rented to someone else, or the chances of the planning permission being turned down are pretty remote, given the type and location of the building and the lack of demand for it, even before Corona came along are pretty small.
Even if that did happen, as DA says, there are plenty of other buildings. They do not need a factory until they have a production ready car. Refurbishing and fitting out a factory is always going to take a much shorter time than getting the old prototype car production ready.
DonkeyApple said:
N7GTX said:
Planning application C/2020/0071 that TVR submitted to Blaenau Gwent Council on 6th March 2020 to much fanfare in TVRCC's news pages, is still pending today. Not sure how a possible investor would view this.
I'm losing the will here........
Given the last 6 months alone it has almost no bearing. But even without that it doesn’t have any relevance at the pre-production funding stage. You’d be much more concerned as a potential investor at this point if there was a building because it isn’t needed and it would be a cost for no purpose. I'm losing the will here........
One has to also consider that post C19 there is now a far wider range of building opportunities available and that investors are more likely to be expecting a revision in that regard etc.
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