New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)

New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)

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N7GTX

5,604 posts

110 months

Monday 14th June
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Jon39 said:

N7GTX said:
The car becomes worth £125,000 because you are comparing it with a Vantage. I don't follow this. Or is he saying that you buy the car for £90k and its value jumps to £125k.
Is this a way of reassuring investors/buyers?

More like Magic Circle, than reassuring buyers.
Perhaps he means the opposite way around, because if you buy a new Vantage for £125k, its value then jumps to £90k.
smile

Do you know what involvement he had with Aston some years ago?

V6 Pushfit

16,811 posts

77 months

Monday 14th June
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Jon39 said:
I was just emphasising the modern complexity of car manufacturing and the enormous amount of money required. Newco actions and communications have always given the impression, that....
.....apart from a press release about someones factory that someone else is paying to be refurbished, nothing tangible has happened.

baconsarney

10,839 posts

128 months

Jon39

8,404 posts

110 months

Monday 14th June
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N7GTX said:
smile

Do you know what involvement he had with Aston some years ago?

No. I did notice a mention on here about having some sort of connection, but have never come across his name in the AM history.

If he was perhaps a friend of Tom Walkinshaw and was involved in setting up the Bloxham DB7 factory, that would be really helpful experience for his present project. Although when that factory planning began, it was how car manufacturing was done 30 years ago.
Efficient production has become much more important since then.

Can you tell us anything about his connection ?




baconsarney

10,839 posts

128 months

Monday 14th June
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I have only found references that say he was 'instrumental' or 'played a major role' in getting AM into the WEC in the early 2000's...


N7GTX

5,604 posts

110 months

Monday 14th June
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Thanks Richard, hadn't seen this before. That Wiki reveals some little gems though:

"Like the new car was to cost from £55,000."

"Gordon Murray was a God but TVR could not afford his services."

"Edgar's original intention was to construct a few cars to race in a special series."


Jon39

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110 months

Monday 14th June
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baconsarney said:

'Edgar played a major role in returning Aston Martin to endurance racing.'

I thought that accolade went to David Richards, founder of Prodrive.
Prodrive prepared and ran the official Aston Martin Racing team WEC winning cars.




N7GTX

5,604 posts

110 months

Monday 14th June
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Jon39 said:
N7GTX said:
smile

Do you know what involvement he had with Aston some years ago?

No. I did notice a mention on here about having some sort of connection, but have never come across his name in the AM history.

If he was perhaps a friend of Tom Walkinshaw and was involved in setting up the Bloxham DB7 factory, that would be really helpful experience for his present project. Although when that factory planning began, it was how car manufacturing was done 30 years ago.
Efficient production has become much more important since then.

Can you tell us anything about his connection ?
Sorry, other than Richard's link to Wiki, no. Like you I thought Dave Richards was the man.


Edited by N7GTX on Monday 14th June 12:54

rev-erend

21,062 posts

251 months

Monday 14th June
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Jon39 said:

baconsarney said:

'Edgar played a major role in returning Aston Martin to endurance racing.'

I thought that accolade went to David Richards, founder of Prodrive.
Prodrive prepared and ran the official Aston Martin Racing team WEC winning cars.
My guess he was a sponsor.

£££££

baconsarney

10,839 posts

128 months

Monday 14th June
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Jon39 said:

baconsarney said:

'Edgar played a major role in returning Aston Martin to endurance racing.'

I thought that accolade went to David Richards, founder of Prodrive.
Prodrive prepared and ran the official Aston Martin Racing team WEC winning cars.
Yep, they do look a bit alike tho Jon smile

Jon39

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110 months

Monday 14th June
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baconsarney said:
Yep, they do look a bit alike tho Jon smile

I now see what you mean.
Can hardly tell the difference.

One of them founded and continues to run a very successful automobile business.
The other bought the name of a failed automobile business, had one car built, then collected deposits.








baconsarney

10,839 posts

128 months

Monday 14th June
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Jon39 said:

I now see what you mean.
Can hardly tell the difference.

One of them founded and continues to run a very successful automobile business.
The other bought the name of a failed automobile business, had one car built, then collected deposits.




Ah.. last pic I saw of DR he had long hair and a beard…

V6 Pushfit

16,811 posts

77 months

Monday 14th June
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baconsarney said:
LE seems a likeable chap, with a good heart. However I think he’s had a bit of luck in the past and the wiki has some clues where things have gone wrong before - due to poor marketing and lack of funds! He’s been in the right place and no doubt bought the right people a beer, how much of his success was his own thinking and planning isn’t known.

Gazzab

18,868 posts

249 months

Monday 14th June
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Spotted Les earlier today.

Jon39

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110 months

Monday 14th June
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Gazzab said:
Spotted Les earlier today.

Did you know that "Buster" Merryfield was Manager of NatWest Bank, Thames Ditton, when he retired from his main career ?
The mark of a real actor, being able to play completely different characters.


N7GTX

5,604 posts

110 months

Monday 14th June
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His connection to TVR is he used to occasionally go for a ride in a fibre glass car.

unrepentant

20,348 posts

223 months

Tuesday 15th June
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N7GTX said:
His connection to TVR is he used to occasionally go for a ride in a fibre glass car.
Totally unreasonable to compare the highly successful Reliant Regal with the Les Edgar fantasy vehicle. One was a well designed and expertly produced product from a company with a long track record and a high level of expertise. The other is the Edgar Gespott.

Jon39

8,404 posts

110 months

Tuesday 15th June
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I hope Uncle Les has not seen this video.
A car factory in Germany. Rob Bott seems to build the cars on his own. Hardly any humans about.
I have replayed the entire dashboard being installed automatically a few times. Remarkable.

I suppose it might save TVR having to recruit an HR department.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4jnajtD72fQ

Can anyone explain what is special about the Gordon Murray production process and how it works ?





unrepentant

20,348 posts

223 months

Tuesday 15th June
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Jon39 said:

I hope Uncle Les has not seen this video.
A car factory in Germany. Rob Bott seems to build the cars on his own. Hardly any humans about.
I have replayed the entire dashboard being installed automatically a few times. Remarkable.

I suppose it might save TVR having to recruit an HR department.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4jnajtD72fQ

Can anyone explain what is special about the Gordon Murray production process and how it works ?
I’ve been round the Mercedes factory in Alabama (and the Land Rover factory in Solihull). Most of the work is done by robots. The human workers are principally there to manage the robots. You could eat off the floor it was so clean. Everything is automated and precision is guaranteed as the robot does the same job exactly the same every single time.

N7GTX

5,604 posts

110 months

Tuesday 15th June
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Jon39 said:

I hope Uncle Les has not seen this video.
A car factory in Germany. Rob Bott seems to build the cars on his own. Hardly any humans about.
I have replayed the entire dashboard being installed automatically a few times. Remarkable.

I suppose it might save TVR having to recruit an HR department.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4jnajtD72fQ

Can anyone explain what is special about the Gordon Murray production process and how it works ?
Sssshhhh. The Welsh Govt loaned them £2m and invested £500k as they promised there would be 200 jobs.

Now the latest info is there will be just 80 until production is up to full speed to fulfill the burgeoning order book. Hopefully no one from the Govt will see this or the automated production line....... smile