New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 2)
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Jon39 said:
Can anyone explain what is special about the Gordon Murray production process and how it works ?
iStream® combines leading-edge lightweight technology, low-energy consumption and flexible small-footprint production sites where the market is located to deliver a radical all-new production process, capable of producing equally innovative and forward-thinking vehicles. It maximises the benefits of lightweight Formula One construction technology, without any of its prohibitive associated costs, to create a production process that's low in both emissions and investment.
Its explained a bit better here:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/tokyo-auto-...
Edited by N7GTX on Tuesday 15th June 23:27
Jon39 said:
I hope Uncle Les has not seen this video.
A car factory in Germany. Rob Bott seems to build the cars on his own. Hardly any humans about.
I have replayed the entire dashboard being installed automatically a few times. Remarkable.
I suppose it might save TVR having to recruit an HR department.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4jnajtD72fQ
Can anyone explain what is special about the Gordon Murray production process and how it works ?
Who thinks body coloured dust caps or do I order black?
unrepentant said:
I’ve been round the Mercedes factory in Alabama (and the Land Rover factory in Solihull). Most of the work is done by robots. The human workers are principally there to manage the robots. You could eat off the floor it was so clean. Everything is automated and precision is guaranteed as the robot does the same job exactly the same every single time.
So a bit like Bristol Avenue , they employed Codheads from Fleetwood , made the same mistakes every time and precision was guarnteed .. never a drop was spilt in the Red Lion 
(I'm joking if any of my TVR mates read this ) N7GTX said:
Jon39 said:
Can anyone explain what is special about the Gordon Murray production process and how it works ?
iStream® combines leading-edge lightweight technology, low-energy consumption and flexible small-footprint production sites where the market is located to deliver a radical all-new production process, capable of producing equally innovative and forward-thinking vehicles. It maximises the benefits of lightweight Formula One construction technology, without any of its prohibitive associated costs, to create a production process that's low in both emissions and investment.
Its explained a bit better here:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/tokyo-auto-...
Murray is not a production engineer, he knows nothing about how you mass produce a product.
Take a look at these videos:
2020_Audi_productionline
BMW_i3_productionline
and honestly tell me that any car companies needs "help" from someone like GMD to sort their line out. Safe to say a single stop on that audi line cost more to develop and install than the entire TVR line will cost.
Look even at companies like Aston, who used the simple, scaleable VH platform for years
2019_Aston_productionline
GMD's iStream is simply basic common sense, building a car using volume applicable tooling. There is nothing new there!
You'll have to step a long way down to find what smaller companies like Caterham or Ariel do, and they just build a car at a time pretty much,using a very few skilled workers, and because their BOMs are very simple and low part count, they can juuust about make it work without a suitable part tracking system ie a system that allocates specific parts to specific cars. The problem TVR have (other than having no money making this all irrevelant anyway) is that they have made bold promises about the quality of their product, which frankly, are almost impossible to keep too for a hand built low volume product.....
Max_Torque said:
The problem TVR have (other than having no money making this all irrevelant anyway) is that they have made bold promises about the quality of their product, which frankly, are almost impossible to keep too for a hand built low volume product.....
You have reminded me of a saying in the Aston Martin world, about the quality of the Newport Pagnell factory cars (brown coats, the English Wheel, men hammering panels all day long).
If a DB5 has equal panel gaps, it is certainly not an original car. -
glow worm said:
unrepentant said:
I’ve been round the Mercedes factory in Alabama (and the Land Rover factory in Solihull). Most of the work is done by robots. The human workers are principally there to manage the robots. You could eat off the floor it was so clean. Everything is automated and precision is guaranteed as the robot does the same job exactly the same every single time.
So a bit like Bristol Avenue , they employed Codheads from Fleetwood , made the same mistakes every time and precision was guarnteed .. never a drop was spilt in the Red Lion (I'm joking if any of my TVR mates read this ) 
Max_Torque said:
The problem TVR have (other than having no money making this all irrevelant anyway) is that they have made bold promises about the quality of their product, which frankly, are almost impossible to keep too..
The crux of itPenelope Stopit said:
I'm confused now
Is the new TVR going to be mass produced?
See above Is the new TVR going to be mass produced?
V6 Pushfit said:
Max_Torque said:
The problem TVR have (other than having no money making this all irrevelant anyway) is that they have made bold promises about the quality of their product, which frankly, are almost impossible to keep too..
The crux of itPenelope Stopit said:
I'm confused now
Is the new TVR going to be mass produced?
See above Is the new TVR going to be mass produced?
Looking forward to more gardening posts
As we’re talking veg. Since becoming a vegan I’ve been doing lots of new things with veggies. Fired up my Weber Smokey Mountain last weekend and smoked potatoes, Jerk cauliflower and caramelised fennel with baby tomatoes.
We love Indian food and my aloo gobi and bindi masala are better than anything I can find in restaurants over here. The American palate is more suited to burgers and fries than sub continental exotica. One of my recent favourites is tandoori cauliflower. Marinated for 10 hours in spice and vegan yoghurt and roasted for an hour. Goes well with my pilau rice and eggplant raita.
We love Indian food and my aloo gobi and bindi masala are better than anything I can find in restaurants over here. The American palate is more suited to burgers and fries than sub continental exotica. One of my recent favourites is tandoori cauliflower. Marinated for 10 hours in spice and vegan yoghurt and roasted for an hour. Goes well with my pilau rice and eggplant raita.
Penelope Stopit said:
I'm confused now
Is the new TVR going to be mass produced?
TVR is to build 1,000 examples of each model type per year + 325 for the U.S. Is the new TVR going to be mass produced?
Definition of mass production is: 'the production of large quantities of a standardized article by an automated mechanical process' so using semi skilled workers to fit engines and components would suggest not.
N7GTX said:
TVR is to build 1,000 examples of each model type per year + 325 for the U.S.
'each model type'
Oh no.
Is there to be another new model launched at Goodwood, followed by two volumes of PH discussion ?
There might be a film made about all this one day.
Can you suggest suitable actors and a title ?
Jon39 said:
'each model type'
Oh no.
Is there to be another new model launched at Goodwood, followed by two volumes of PH discussion ?
There might be a film made about all this one day.
Can you suggest suitable actors and a title ?
"The Day After Tomorrow"
"Procrastinator - The promise of the machine"
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