One off 'Sagaris' for sale for £102K??

[Penelope Stopit]

m4tti said:

Penelope Stopit said:

m4tti said:

Still registered as a Tuscan. See the screen shot above. What a bunch of jokers.

Thanks, hadn't seen that

Would modifications like this alter the vehicles handling?

In the case of this car it’s the one thing that’s not going to be right is the handling. The usp of the sagaris is the altered geometry. Unless they chopped the Tuscan chassis about and altered the pick up points it’s still going to handle like a Tuscan. Not nice lol.

Ok, got it thanks

In which case the vehicle may be worth scrap value in its present state

[TheRainMaker]

I would think it’s worth more than scrap, Somewhere between 20-30k would be my guess.

[swisstoni]

If it found somebody who understood what it actually was it may sell for similar value to a Tuscan of the same vintage I would have thought.
But as it's probably been through hedge backwards to need rebodying then perhaps a good bit less.

[Penelope Stopit]

TheRainMaker said:

I would think it’s worth more than scrap, Somewhere between 20-30k would be my guess.

And?

Spend thousands and more thousands converting it back?

[TheRainMaker]

Penelope Stopit said:

TheRainMaker said:

I would think it’s worth more than scrap, Somewhere between 20-30k would be my guess.

And?

Spend thousands and more thousands converting it back?

No point changing it back, loads of Tuscans out there, keep it like it is, a modified Tuscan.

[N7GTX]

m4tti said:

N7GTX said:

Yes, I imagine he doesn't know the finer details of Tuscans/Sags/T350s etc. If it says Tuscan in the V5 then he's still being naughty. On the other hand if the V5 has been changed to Sagaris it would be hard to prove he's done anything wrong I think?

Still registered as a Tuscan. See the screen shot above. What a bunch of jokers.

Hopefully, anyone considering it has read this thread and is a bit wiser.

[m4tti]

Indeed Iain. A little stop by the ph TVR myth busters and all’s well. Garage must love it

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Edited by m4tti on Saturday 19th October 20:16

Edited by m4tti on Saturday 19th October 20:19

[Ocdbeemer]

This is a very interesting post/thread. What value does anyone reckon it’s worth 10 years on?
Looks like the dealer maybe making a big loss on this one 😬😬

[m4tti]

It’s 35 - 40k I reckon.

[Penelope Stopit]

m4tti said:

Indeed Iain. A little stop by the ph TVR myth busters and all’s well. Garage must love it

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Edited by m4tti on Saturday 19th October 20:16

Edited by m4tti on Saturday 19th October 20:19

Nice find

Theres a short video in the above topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8EP_uZo-rU

[butch890]

Ocdbeemer said:

I purchased a Porsche from them, agreed a cost, they then increased the advertised price online !!??

They are 5 miles from me,been in buisiness 10 years in various guises ,not got the best of reputations!

[N7GTX]

butch890 said:

Ocdbeemer said:

I purchased a Porsche from them, agreed a cost, they then increased the advertised price online !!??

They are 5 miles from me,been in business 10 years in various guises ,not got the best of reputations!

Currently owned by a 'Boutique hospitality group focused on premium gastropubs, delivering a high-end experience in select "destination" locations.'
( https://barkbygroup.com/ )

Edited by N7GTX on Sunday 20th October 10:41

[MikeE]

butch890 said:

Ocdbeemer said:

I purchased a Porsche from them, agreed a cost, they then increased the advertised price online !!??

They are 5 miles from me,been in buisiness 10 years in various guises ,not got the best of reputations!

Don’t think I’ve ever seen a car advertised with no description only a suggestion to phone them fir details. I wonder why they wouldn’t just put it in writing in the advert?

[TR4man]

Interesting that in the 2009 thread the majority of contributors seemed to like the conversion.

It seems less so with the current thread, or is this because of the asking price / seller?

I really like the look of it, but see it as a £30k car rather than a £102k one.

[PuffsBack]

If I remember correctly from 2013 when it was for sale a few people went to look at it at Britannia and the problem was the paint work wasn't in great shape (by that I mean chipped, scratched etc, not casting any doubt on the quailty of the original paint job which given Plasticman did the converison I am sure it was stunning) Candy Apple red being eye wateringly expensive it would be interesting to know if its been resprayed since then.

[swisstoni]

TR4man said:

Interesting that in the 2009 thread the majority of contributors seemed to like the conversion.

It seems less so with the current thread, or is this because of the asking price / seller?

I really like the look of it, but see it as a £30k car rather than a £102k one.

The fact that it was being passed off as a Sag at £100k was putting a bit of dampener on things.

[MikeE]

swisstoni said:

TR4man said:

Interesting that in the 2009 thread the majority of contributors seemed to like the conversion.

It seems less so with the current thread, or is this because of the asking price / seller?

I really like the look of it, but see it as a £30k car rather than a £102k one.

The fact that it was being passed off as a Sag at £100k was putting a bit of dampener on things.

Agreed as the OP of this thread I saw the advert and thought it looked stunning then saw the claim to be a one off build and the price, so understandable thought peter Wheeler had built a special fir someone which would indeed justify the price so all good for me.

Then I looked at the other pics and it came clear from bothe the centre section of the exterior and all of the interior that it was in fact just a Tuscan. Seemed to me it was a misleading advert hence me posting it.

If it were genuine imho it’d be worth £100K+. As an honest Tuscan conversion I’d say more like £40K and that’s assuming it’s not a CAT C rebuild.

[glow worm]

Why would you do any conversion on a pristine 5 year old car with less than 6,000 miles ?


Another problem with this car is that it's incorrectly registered as a PC (Petrol Car) and not a PLG . So it's emissions are recorded as 405 and will incur a higher tax .

Edited by glow worm on Sunday 20th October 16:54

[Gazzab]

When it was first sprayed candy apple red the finish was terrible. It might have been resprayed since then.
The finish of the car wasn’t great. Mainly because it wasn’t made to be a rod car but to be a stunt car to be viewed from a distance. Confirmed by Britannia cars.
It’s maybe 10 years since I last saw this car in the flesh but assuming the finish is the same, assuming it’s a cat car etc then I’d not want to pay more that £15k or so for it.

[richard sails]

N7GTX said:

glow worm said:

Isn't it illegal to advertise something as something different to what it is ?
A Tuscan Mk1 can't be advertised as a Sagaris under trades description act ?
Maybe Piston Heads gurus should be more careful about what is advertised on their site .

It is. Its an offence contrary to the Misrepresentation Act 1967. There are 2 types of misrepresentation - fraudulent and innocent. No prizes for guessing which one the seller would plead as he probably hasn't a clue about a targa Sag.

The seller may have difficulty proving they are innocent as the seller (and 24 hours later PH fraud team) have both been contacted by the club and advised of the true status of the car.