TVR Car Club Cadwell Park Trackday - 29 May 20
Discussion
Normally at least in the morning the sessions are based on novice, intermediate and advanced. So, absolutely no problem for you to come along. Just declare 'novice' when you book. Great thing about TVRCC days is that the driving in the vast majority of cases is way better and more courteous than those run by track day companies.
oldtamensian said:
TVRCC track days have a good reputation for courteous driving so nice to hear some friendly views on this and hope to see some of you there in May!
Depends what group you we in, although I think it was the 'advanced' group that there were issues.This inters and beginers were fine, no different in my experience to 'regular' trackdays.
Goes 'open pit' in the afternoon so 'issues' mentioned above got mitigated.
mk1fan said:
Depends what group you we in, although I think it was the 'advanced' group that there were issues.
There can always be exceptions to the rule but having been in the advanced group for about 20 years at Cadwell I can only think of a few instances where there have been discourteous or silly driving. One of the best things about Cadwell and the TVRCC days is that the majority of drivers have been going for years, know each other and know each other's driving / pace (at least in the advanced group) so very very rarely any issues. There are a couple of trackday companies I would never re-use due to appalling driving and lack of organiser's control/assistance. TVRCC together with the folk at Cadwell are excellent in this regard
cirks said:
There can always be exceptions to the rule but having been in the advanced group for about 20 years at Cadwell I can only think of a few instances where there have been discourteous or silly driving.
Got to agree about driving manners although I tend to stay out of the advanced group.mk1fan said:
To say, however, that there aren't issues of 'inconsiderate driving' on the TVRCC days is simply not true.
To be fair, I didn't say that there aren't issues - I did say there may be exceptions to the rule so a bit of a misquote of me by you. I didn't see/experience issues and it's a pity you did. I assume you discussed them with organisers and marshalls?I’m trying to understand what went on last year without getting personal, I wasn’t there so know nothing.
Driving standards,,
Not moving over when a faster car is behind you.
Taking a central line so nobody can get past you,, that’s proper annoying.
People diving up the inside ( it’s a trackday) ?
Gord knows but any of these Spring to mind.
Education is everything so maybe take out the who where and when and just explain why some driving was poor so they can learn to do it better
For me the two main problems with track days are:
1)People who don't look in their mirrors and move over when a faster car is behind them
2) People who know that a faster car is behind and still don't move over.
3)Rarely, (thank goodness) there are people who insist on overtaking just before a bend or actually just at the start of the bend and usually do so by cutting up the person they are passing.
Apart from the above, I have never had a problem with anyone and that is having done more than many TDs.
Thinking about last year's Cadwell Park TD, Numbers one and two applied in the advanced group. Not unusual though, just annoying.
1)People who don't look in their mirrors and move over when a faster car is behind them
2) People who know that a faster car is behind and still don't move over.
3)Rarely, (thank goodness) there are people who insist on overtaking just before a bend or actually just at the start of the bend and usually do so by cutting up the person they are passing.
Apart from the above, I have never had a problem with anyone and that is having done more than many TDs.
Thinking about last year's Cadwell Park TD, Numbers one and two applied in the advanced group. Not unusual though, just annoying.
Classic Chim said:
I’m trying to understand what went on last year without getting personal, I wasn’t there so know nothing.
Driving standards,,
Not moving over when a faster car is behind you.
Taking a central line so nobody can get past you,, that’s proper annoying.
People diving up the inside ( it’s a trackday) ?
Gord knows but any of these Spring to mind.
Education is everything so maybe take out the who where and when and just explain why some driving was poor so they can learn to do it better
My view was that the issues were people not moving over. Slow through corners then gunning it down the straights to preserve thier position. There was little or no discussion about etiquette in the breifing and no blue flags. I've seen better behaviour on general open trackdays. No one was silly but blocking faster people lap after lap only encourages silly behaviour. There were some comments on here about a Lotus or two but all I saw was some more track orientated cars that were much faster in the corners and not being given space to enjoy a lap at thier pace. I've always taken the approach that if you let the faster cars past you can then focus more on your own pace rather than thinking about who's behind you - this is why I like the last hour of a track day the most when it's much quieter. Driving standards,,
Not moving over when a faster car is behind you.
Taking a central line so nobody can get past you,, that’s proper annoying.
People diving up the inside ( it’s a trackday) ?
Gord knows but any of these Spring to mind.
Education is everything so maybe take out the who where and when and just explain why some driving was poor so they can learn to do it better
Frankly if drivers of lessor experience are not given clear instruction in driver briefing then I’m not surprised. If someone knows what there doing shame on them, theres a rule in racing circles, get out of the way of the fast guys early, follow them for a corner or two until they are out of eye line, you often learn a few things and often those drivers will respect you enough to help you upto speed. A top line driver knows what your thinking before you do, it won’t be unnoticed that you showed manners.
mk1fan said:
The problem is made worse when you're running allotted groups with fixed session times on track. At least with open pit (which it reverted to) you can return to the pit and go back out in 5-mins.
Generally agree but where there are novices up against cars much faster, very dangerous. Surely if your not upto the skill level the organisers should ask you to drop into a safer group.As Phazed says most people never have big issues.
Not only can you spectate bit most Tvr owners will happily give you a few sighting/ passenger laps to get a feel for it
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