Idle control

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s6boy

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1,620 posts

225 months

Thursday 22nd April 2021
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I'm thinking of upgrading the ecu and looking for tips and experiences of fitting an idle control valve.
Is it worth it, what were your reasons for doing it?

m4tti

5,427 posts

155 months

Thursday 22nd April 2021
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I did set one up on my old tuscan, running Syvecs. The idle was consistent summer, winter, from hot or cold. Very stable and easy in traffic.


s6boy

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225 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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I've just read your S6 write up linked in your bio Matt. I don't know how I've missed it but a really good read.

Did you do something similar when you had the Syvecs and idle control put on?

m4tti

5,427 posts

155 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Hi John,
Unfortunately not. Time started to even away through work and a house move.

It is however fairly straightforward and Syvecs is a great price of kit. Especially from a fault diagnosis point of view.

When you the car won’t start and you think “do I have a spark”. You can just go to the lap top a trigger a spark on a certain plug !! Very cool.

The most work is in making the throttle bodies breathe





s6boy

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225 months

Sunday 25th April 2021
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I've read that Syvecs are amongst the best but also had Emerald recommended so will do more research into both.
Was the Syvecs just running off the one throttle pot? Big advantage if so as I've also got Andy's roller throttle bodies which makes having 2 (almost) redundant.

Stunned Monkey

351 posts

209 months

Sunday 25th April 2021
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If you want idle control, you'll be switching to manifold pressure sensing rather than mapping by throttle position. Thereafter you'd better be damn sure your throttles are all bob-on. Getting the bushes right is only half the battle and crucially you won't know when either side has drifted. Personally I would avoid any system that relies on MAP and one lambda sensor assuming the other bank is acting the same.

spitfire4v8

3,991 posts

181 months

Tuesday 27th April 2021
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If you're going to the expense of fitting an aftermarket ecu, and you want idle control, then why not go drive by wire ? By the time you've modified your throttle bodies to take pipes for an air valve you might as well fabricate some bracketry for an actuator, and cable operated pedal sensor setup.

s6boy

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1,620 posts

225 months

Monday 10th May 2021
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I'd like sequential injection and independent throttle bodies too but having a stable idle is most important at the moment.

spitfire4v8

3,991 posts

181 months

Monday 10th May 2021
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Whats the issue with the idle as it stands ? an unstable idle isn't a usual sp6 trait. they're usually rock steady.

s6boy

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225 months

Tuesday 11th May 2021
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Believe it or not it's roughly the same issue that I came up to you with, about 5 years ago? Although after mapping it did run a hell of a lot better for a while smile
Poor pick up from very low revs resulting in either embarrassing bunny hops or having to declutch when trying to roll on from about 1k rpm. It used to be easy to commute into London but it's too much hard work now. Pulling away used to be just a whif of throttle or just use the torque and clutch to get going. Now sometimes it refuses to take a small throttle opening and bogs down.

LucyP

1,698 posts

59 months

Tuesday 11th May 2021
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Sounds like it needs another tune up. If it worked 5 years ago.....

spitfire4v8

3,991 posts

181 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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s6boy said:
Believe it or not it's roughly the same issue that I came up to you with, about 5 years ago? Although after mapping it did run a hell of a lot better for a while smile
Poor pick up from very low revs resulting in either embarrassing bunny hops or having to declutch when trying to roll on from about 1k rpm. It used to be easy to commute into London but it's too much hard work now. Pulling away used to be just a whif of throttle or just use the torque and clutch to get going. Now sometimes it refuses to take a small throttle opening and bogs down.
Ah found the graphs .. only did a partial remap and the power wasn't sparkling so that engine has possibly been slightly poorer than usual from the get-go ? interestingly i cant find any mention of idling issues .. the invoice just says partial remap, and the emails from 2016 don't mention idling issues either, unless ive lost some and i normally keep absolutely every email for reference purposes.

any road up, once its rebuilt and back to a better-than-new standard of build it should be as good as any other / better than others smile issues with drivability just off idle though sounds more a throttle body wear issue than anything else ? I can recommend Andy Hoile for refurbishing those. I think his PH name is mr2turbo or mr2sc or something similar.

s6boy

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225 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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The Andys roller bearing mod was the first thing I had changed.

You're right it was booked in for low speed running behaviour but I mentioned the idle as after you'd done the tune it seemed to be running better all round. Could have been halo effectsmile

Glad you mentioned the graphs. I dug yours out too and compared them to a run done at Emerald last year. The profiles are dead on - nice and smooth still wink but the thing that stands out is the power is near enough identical up to 4K rpm. Then they goes to 348bhp while yours was 320. I know they're different but I'd have expected a difference across the whole range?