New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 3)
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Finally, the info is in the public domain. TVR were facing a legal challenge to their occupancy of the Welsh factory. While we all know they have moved on and will not be taking the factory at Ebbw Vale, one of the reasons must be this legal challenge. TVR never mentioned it of course. It looks like TVR pulled a fast one and failed to inform the council that they occupied the factory, albeit a very small part, which made them liable for business rates.
TVR did not give an explanation as to why they were not taking it and simply stated they were opening a brand centre at Thruxton. Right up until the last minute the Government said TVR would occupy the factory. The legal challenge had been ongoing for some time and looks like it is the local council Blaenau Gwent who are behind it.
Ensorcia injected millions into the company but how much I do not know. However, according to the Auditor for Wales, they provided enough to pay off the Govt loan (£2m) which came to £4.3m. And, Ensorcia also invested the amount the Govt insisted TVR prove they had, from day one, £5.5m before they could occupy the factory.
A Google search throws up this:
TVR did not give an explanation as to why they were not taking it and simply stated they were opening a brand centre at Thruxton. Right up until the last minute the Government said TVR would occupy the factory. The legal challenge had been ongoing for some time and looks like it is the local council Blaenau Gwent who are behind it.
Ensorcia injected millions into the company but how much I do not know. However, according to the Auditor for Wales, they provided enough to pay off the Govt loan (£2m) which came to £4.3m. And, Ensorcia also invested the amount the Govt insisted TVR prove they had, from day one, £5.5m before they could occupy the factory.
A Google search throws up this:
t BBL too?Viper201 said:
That's the Information Commissioner's Office refusing to allow details held by the council to be made public as confidentiality outweighs the public interest.
There is a lot more information but it has been redacted at this time.
Confidentiality outweighs public interest!!!There is a lot more information but it has been redacted at this time.
This thread proves there is a lot of public interest.
Viper201 said:
Finally, the info is in the public domain. TVR were facing a legal challenge to their occupancy of the Welsh factory. While we all know they have moved on and will not be taking the factory at Ebbw Vale, one of the reasons must be this legal challenge. TVR never mentioned it of course. It looks like TVR pulled a fast one and failed to inform the council that they occupied the factory, albeit a very small part, which made them liable for business rates.
TVR did not give an explanation as to why they were not taking it and simply stated they were opening a brand centre at Thruxton. Right up until the last minute the Government said TVR would occupy the factory. The legal challenge had been ongoing for some time and looks like it is the local council Blaenau Gwent who are behind it.
Ensorcia injected millions into the company but how much I do not know. However, according to the Auditor for Wales, they provided enough to pay off the Govt loan (£2m) which came to £4.3m. And, Ensorcia also invested the amount the Govt insisted TVR prove they had, from day one, £5.5m before they could occupy the factory.
A Google search throws up this:
I read that notice as a request for information regarding TVR's occupancy status has been turned down, nothing more than that.TVR did not give an explanation as to why they were not taking it and simply stated they were opening a brand centre at Thruxton. Right up until the last minute the Government said TVR would occupy the factory. The legal challenge had been ongoing for some time and looks like it is the local council Blaenau Gwent who are behind it.
Ensorcia injected millions into the company but how much I do not know. However, according to the Auditor for Wales, they provided enough to pay off the Govt loan (£2m) which came to £4.3m. And, Ensorcia also invested the amount the Govt insisted TVR prove they had, from day one, £5.5m before they could occupy the factory.
A Google search throws up this:
Separately there appears to be a dispute over whether or not TVR owe for business rates. The request for information was, presumably, to determine that answer and could have been raised by anybody.
MustangGT said:
Viper201 said:
Finally, the info is in the public domain. TVR were facing a legal challenge to their occupancy of the Welsh factory. While we all know they have moved on and will not be taking the factory at Ebbw Vale, one of the reasons must be this legal challenge. TVR never mentioned it of course. It looks like TVR pulled a fast one and failed to inform the council that they occupied the factory, albeit a very small part, which made them liable for business rates.
TVR did not give an explanation as to why they were not taking it and simply stated they were opening a brand centre at Thruxton. Right up until the last minute the Government said TVR would occupy the factory. The legal challenge had been ongoing for some time and looks like it is the local council Blaenau Gwent who are behind it.
Ensorcia injected millions into the company but how much I do not know. However, according to the Auditor for Wales, they provided enough to pay off the Govt loan (£2m) which came to £4.3m. And, Ensorcia also invested the amount the Govt insisted TVR prove they had, from day one, £5.5m before they could occupy the factory.
A Google search throws up this:
I read that notice as a request for information regarding TVR's occupancy status has been turned down, nothing more than that.TVR did not give an explanation as to why they were not taking it and simply stated they were opening a brand centre at Thruxton. Right up until the last minute the Government said TVR would occupy the factory. The legal challenge had been ongoing for some time and looks like it is the local council Blaenau Gwent who are behind it.
Ensorcia injected millions into the company but how much I do not know. However, according to the Auditor for Wales, they provided enough to pay off the Govt loan (£2m) which came to £4.3m. And, Ensorcia also invested the amount the Govt insisted TVR prove they had, from day one, £5.5m before they could occupy the factory.
A Google search throws up this:
Separately there appears to be a dispute over whether or not TVR owe for business rates. The request for information was, presumably, to determine that answer and could have been raised by anybody.
In the dispute with the Information Commissioner the council redacted details of legal action against TVR occupying the factory, not the row over rates. It would appear that someone or somebody was against TVR.
Penrhyn said:
Confidentiality outweighs public interest!!!
This thread proves there is a lot of public interest.
There isn’t really. A huge percentage of the population have no idea who TVR are or were and a massive percentage of car people couldn’t give a stuff. There is a very small and probably getting smaller group of people who really care about TVR. Being on PH where most of them reside just makes it look like lots of people care. IF they ever get a new car to market it won’t be selling like hot cakes until it proves itself. The brand name is too long dead and was too niche even before that. This thread proves there is a lot of public interest.
Penrhyn said:
Viper201 said:
That's the Information Commissioner's Office refusing to allow details held by the council to be made public as confidentiality outweighs the public interest.
There is a lot more information but it has been redacted at this time.
Confidentiality outweighs public interest!!!There is a lot more information but it has been redacted at this time.
This thread proves there is a lot of public interest.
So if you were to make a FOI request to the council they are entitled to respond by saying they neither confirm nor deny the information you might want. This is a common reply to FOI requests.
Gazzab said:
Did they actually have an office there? Wasn’t there a discussion re whether or not they stored some stuff there? I assumed that when Les said they’ll have an office there in the meantime, that it was just bull and they didn’t. I assume the security guard wasn’t Les’.
No, no office. They did have a one room office in an old mining company headquarters owned and run by the council who let them have it rent free which was around Covid time. The Wales Auditor said that TVR occupied a very small part of the factory for storage purposes and as they had, or were giving up, their original Surrey headquarters, it is likely this stuff could be fibreglass moulds.
It seems that people think this is a bigger deal than it really is. There isn't actually a legal challenge to TVR's occupation of the Welsh premises, because they don't occupy them now and they don't want to occupy them in the future either.
What there seems to be, is an unpaid business rates bill. Nothing more. There seems to have been some agreement to occupy a small part of the premises. For the purposes of business rates, it doesn't matter what the use was. Each side says that it was the other's responsibility to pay the business rates, because one side will say it was included in the licence fee and the other will say that it wasn't.
It is the old lease -v- licence argument. If it is a lease then it is more likely that business rates are payable by the tenant. If it is a licence, then it is more likely that they are paid by the landlord.
It is a standard commercial dispute. The local authority wants someone to pay the rates and each side says that it is the other's responsibility. There is absolutely no public interest in a private dispute of this nature and that is why the Freedom of Information request has rightly been refused.
What there seems to be, is an unpaid business rates bill. Nothing more. There seems to have been some agreement to occupy a small part of the premises. For the purposes of business rates, it doesn't matter what the use was. Each side says that it was the other's responsibility to pay the business rates, because one side will say it was included in the licence fee and the other will say that it wasn't.
It is the old lease -v- licence argument. If it is a lease then it is more likely that business rates are payable by the tenant. If it is a licence, then it is more likely that they are paid by the landlord.
It is a standard commercial dispute. The local authority wants someone to pay the rates and each side says that it is the other's responsibility. There is absolutely no public interest in a private dispute of this nature and that is why the Freedom of Information request has rightly been refused.
Edited by Andonio on Tuesday 25th March 12:11
And said above, most people don’t know who TVR were or are.
My son runs his own garage and believe me most people don’t give a monkeys as to what they drive. As long as it gets them from a to B at a very reasonable cost and doesn’t break down, that is all they are worried about. As for the youth of today, they have lost interest generally, (although obviously there is a hard-core group who still have interest) and many are happy to take public transport.
Gone are the days where youngsters aspired to nice cars. Given the choice that is out there now, it is easy to see why. So many very boring cars, boring to look at and believe me boring to drive. I have driven quite a few recently when helping out at my sons garage and most every day cars make our old “dog” car, an XTrail seem exiting!
My son runs his own garage and believe me most people don’t give a monkeys as to what they drive. As long as it gets them from a to B at a very reasonable cost and doesn’t break down, that is all they are worried about. As for the youth of today, they have lost interest generally, (although obviously there is a hard-core group who still have interest) and many are happy to take public transport.
Gone are the days where youngsters aspired to nice cars. Given the choice that is out there now, it is easy to see why. So many very boring cars, boring to look at and believe me boring to drive. I have driven quite a few recently when helping out at my sons garage and most every day cars make our old “dog” car, an XTrail seem exiting!
Phazed - All totally true and even if the public did care about the car brand, they are unlikely to care about a business rates dispute over some small space that TVR once used to occupy, but don't anymore, in a factory that they were going to wholly occupy, but are not any more. The dispute is only of interest to law students.
In any event, the test for public interest is a legal one, not whether many or few members of the public would be interested.
In any event, the test for public interest is a legal one, not whether many or few members of the public would be interested.
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