Fitting a 4.6 Injected engine to a TR7

Fitting a 4.6 Injected engine to a TR7

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Hugh Keir

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34 posts

203 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Tried my 9" x 13" Magnesium Minilites on the rear to see if they would clear the rolled arches, but sadly they are a no go.





scottish grinnal

145 posts

197 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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Like your wee project smile I have cosworth rear callipers fitted to my Grinnall cabled one with
vented discs...





Hugh Keir

Original Poster:

34 posts

203 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Am liking the look of your back axle.

I did something very similar to my rally car back in about 1982, but did not manage to find room for coil overs as long as yours.

Brakes looking good too

Benzini

122 posts

180 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Hugh,

What size are the magnesium wheels? and what offset?

Are they in Ford or Triumph PCD? I know alot of the Rally wheels where in Ford PCD?

@ Scottish Grinnal, what kind of Coilovers are you running on the rear?

How about you too hugh? what kind of suspension are you planning to run?

Iain

Hugh Keir

Original Poster:

34 posts

203 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
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Ian,

The wheels in the picture are 9 x 13", but I have a few other sizes, the biggest ones are 11" x 13"

Think I will fit 15" Minilites, will go for as wide as I can get under the rear arches with maybe 7" at the front.

Update

Going to get the first of the Corsa power steering bits back from the machine shop this weekend.

Just got the bits from the Steering Wheel to the back of the Corsa to trial fit, if that goes well, I will sort out how to incorporate the collapsible lower column to the bottom of the Corsa motor assembly.

Cheers

Hugh

Benzini

122 posts

180 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
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Hugh Keir said:
Ian,

The wheels in the picture are 9 x 13", but I have a few other sizes, the biggest ones are 11" x 13"

Think I will fit 15" Minilites, will go for as wide as I can get under the rear arches with maybe 7" at the front.

Update

Going to get the first of the Corsa power steering bits back from the machine shop this weekend.

Just got the bits from the Steering Wheel to the back of the Corsa to trial fit, if that goes well, I will sort out how to incorporate the collapsible lower column to the bottom of the Corsa motor assembly.

Cheers

Hugh
Hugh you made a list of parts you had on one of the other forums..

Can you email me, ileinster@hotmail.co.uk

I am interested in some of the Parts.

Iain

oronero

4 posts

135 months

Friday 21st December 2012
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Hugh, I have owned for nearly 16 years an old TR7 V8 rally car that needed re-shelling when I bought it, the previous owner had also owned it for several years and also never used it...could it be one of your early cars...the number plate is UDH ##R ?

It had period 'FG rallying' stickers on it and a lot of period factory parts...Alloy AP 4 pot vented brakes on alloy bell mounts, Bilsteins which were adjustable up front, magnesium Minilites, Jaguar 4HA axle with inboard suspension mounts, special loom and a works dash with the 'Sun' rev- counter.

It was a red shell that had a blue and white sides, though not painted like the 'works cars'...does it ring any bells?

In fact if anybody has any info on the car I would be interested to know, thanks. P




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oronero

4 posts

135 months

Sunday 23rd December 2012
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I spoke to the late Charles Golding about my TR in 1998 but he was unable to help me with much information regarding my car, other than it had the Jaguar rear axle as used by the works cars, (though it was running drum brakes and not discs at the rear) but still on the 3.75pcd wheels.

It did have a window sticker from the Wolverhampton and South Staffordshire car club. There was no internet back then, perhaps it is time that I really got back on the case and tried to sort out the history of my car once and for all.

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dycecooper

632 posts

207 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Hugh's Rally car was USA 123X

Marks6

1 posts

134 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Hugh,
Can you advise where you got the rear brake hats, brackets and clappers for your 7?
I'm building up a track only version and while the standard drums might be good enough it would be better to have a little more power over the rear wheels.
Cheers!

Hugh Keir

Original Poster:

34 posts

203 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Marks6 said:
Hugh,
Can you advise where you got the rear brake hats, brackets and clappers for your 7?
I'm building up a track only version and while the standard drums might be good enough it would be better to have a little more power over the rear wheels.
Cheers!
I had the top hats copied from some works ones, the works ones were a cast steel, bit strange when the front Bells ( Top hats ) were made from alloy and they had a much bigger job to do.

The calipers and brackets were bought from BL Motorsport, I have a number of two pot calipers without hand brake levers plus loads of pads, they are a Formula 2 front caliper CP2383

Cheers

Hugh

Hugh Keir

Original Poster:

34 posts

203 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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oronero said:
Hugh, I have owned for nearly 16 years an old TR7 V8 rally car that needed re-shelling when I bought it, the previous owner had also owned it for several years and also never used it...could it be one of your early cars...the number plate is UDH ##R ?

It had period 'FG rallying' stickers on it and a lot of period factory parts...Alloy AP 4 pot vented brakes on alloy bell mounts, Bilsteins which were adjustable up front, magnesium Minilites, Jaguar 4HA axle with inboard suspension mounts, special loom and a works dash with the 'Sun' rev- counter.

It was a red shell that had a blue and white sides, though not painted like the 'works cars'...does it ring any bells?

In fact if anybody has any info on the car I would be interested to know, thanks. P
I am sure I have seen your car somewhere lots of years ago.

Adjustable Bilsteins were not a works spec and the inboard rear brakes are not something I have seen before.

Mike Gibbon who owned FG Rallying had access to all of the Works stuff, although your car may not have been built by him.

Cheers

Hugh

oronero

4 posts

135 months

Monday 14th January 2013
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Sorry Hugh but you misunderstood me, the rear axle has the locating arms mounted inboard in the passenger cabin behind the rear seats (as was carried out to rally escorts), not on the underside of the floorpan as per standard. Jacking points are also located at the side of the sills and through to the cage. ( Not inboard rear brakes)

The front struts are Bilstein with adjustable platform height struts, I hope that clears up some of your points.

I have been led to believe that I need to contact David Lisle regarding information for my car...does anybody know where I can contact him? I have already tried the Wolves and South Staffs. car club but drew a blank.

Hugh Keir

Original Poster:

34 posts

203 months

Tuesday 15th January 2013
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Yup,

The top links being inside the cabin on a 5 link rear axle is the works set-up, as is the jacking points locating in the cage.

If it is a works shell, most ( Safety Devices) had the floor dropped to create clearance for the drivers / navigators helmet.

Not heard of David Lisle though.

oronero

4 posts

135 months

Thursday 7th March 2013
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I managed to locate David Lisle and have had some communication. FYI Dave owned and rallied an ex Tony Pond TR7 during the mid 1980s OOM 513R.

It seems that my car does indeed have many period 'works parts' including loom, brakes suspension etc. I am currently awaiting some more information and images from when it was rallied back in the day.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Thursday 8th August 2013
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Hugh Keir said:
Here is a view of the front of the engine showing the serpentine belt part number 7PK1260 that fit's when there is no power steering and no A/C fitted.

Hi.

I'm in the process of fitting a serpentine 3.9 in TR7 inplace of the old vee belt 3.5 that was in there.


The part number you've listed for the serpentine belt comes up as one for a Nissan Navara on Google:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/7PK1260-Alternator-Nissan-...

Is this the one you've used?

Lastly, I was worried about alternator clearance with the bonnet, on my old setup the alternator was low down below the water pump. Is your engine sitting further back than normal? I'm running an LT77 not a Tremac.

Thanks.

wildcat45

8,056 posts

188 months

Saturday 14th June 2014
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Any updates on this? Another great thread.

Hugh Keir

Original Poster:

34 posts

203 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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300bhp/ton said:
Hi.

I'm in the process of fitting a serpentine 3.9 in TR7 inplace of the old vee belt 3.5 that was in there.


The part number you've listed for the serpentine belt comes up as one for a Nissan Navara on Google:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/7PK1260-Alternator-Nissan-...

Is this the one you've used?

Lastly, I was worried about alternator clearance with the bonnet, on my old setup the alternator was low down below the water pump. Is your engine sitting further back than normal? I'm running an LT77 not a Tremac.

Thanks.
The number I quoted is stamped on the Poly V belt I used, it probably fits a number of other cars.

Alternator clearance with the bonnet is a bit of an issue. I moved the engine back 2". This is how the works rally cars were run in their final guise and helps bonnet clearance allot. The limiting factor was the bonnet catch mechanism, I would have moved it further back, but could only trim a little off the catch mechanism bracket. Not a problem on rally cars where this bracket is removed.

Unfortunately not made any progress on the car, work was pretty full on this past couple of years. Currently looking for a new job, so might have some time to finish if my next job is less demanding.

Hugh-K

8 posts

83 months

Friday 28th February 2020
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dycecooper said:
Hugh's Rally car was USA 123X
Here you go, USA 123X


Hugh-K

8 posts

83 months

Friday 28th February 2020
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Have been working on getting the car on the road this year, but have been struggling with the choice of wheels to fit to the car.

Wanted to keep the wheel arches standard, although the arches have been rolled for added wheel clearance.

I have AP racing 4 pot calipers that will fit inside 13" wheels, but thought it might be better to fit larger diameter wheels and larger front brakes.

The engine figures are 281 BHP @ 5500 rpm, maximum torque is 300 lb.ft @ 4500 rpm, so could also do with something reasonably wide on the rear.

Any suggestions on what would look good and be a decent width for the power?

Thanks

Hugh