Triumph Crank Damper Pulley Survey

Triumph Crank Damper Pulley Survey

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tapkaJohnD

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1,941 posts

204 months

Friday 26th January 2018
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I retired a while ago, and since then I've gone back to college, where I'm now studying for a degree in Motorsport Engineering. I need a research project and chose to investigate the crank damper pulleys that Triumph fitted to all the six-cylinder engines it made. The crank damper was needed to suppress 'torsional', twisting vibration in the long crankshafts, and has a rubber layer between the inner hub and outer ring. They were suspect even in the day, when they were new. Kas Kastner described in his Handbooks his technique to ensure that the outer hadn't shifted, which would make the timing marks on them completely false. Worse, a faulty damper could lead to crankshaft failure!

Today, none of those dampers are less than forty years old, and many show the rubber to have deteriorated. How many still work as timing indicators, let alone to suppress crank vibration?

My study has two parts: In the workshop, I'm building an engine rig with sensors on the pulley and flywheel to detect vibration, and I'm asking Triumpheroes about their experiences with the dampers. Please help me by completing the short survey questionanire I've put up on Survey Monkey?

Go to https://www.surveymo...co.uk/r/GPTCDSG There are only five questions and it will take you less than two minutes!

Thank you!

John

PS I'm posting this on several websites, to catch as many people as I can but no need to complete it more than once!

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Tuesday 30th January 2018
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I messed about with a lot of Triumph straight sixes, 2000 and 2500 engines. I honestly don't remember any of those composite pulleys falling apart, or being loose outer to inner. I do remember that the timing marks were ALWAYS only an approx. guide, and I always used to 'trim' the timing by adjusting slightly after several road trips. That little screw adjuster was BRILLIANT !. I really missed it on later Ford lumps....

The other thing I did see a couple of times was that the woodruff key could shave a little of the channel in the pulley (especially if someone didn't check the fit and just got the spanner out) and so the whole pulley could be slightly loose on the woodruff key - again affecting timing marks...and possibly this is relevant for your study ? I saw this on some Ford V6 engines too....

I always thought the 6 had a natural smoothness anyway - 2500 rougher (longer stroke) but not all THAT much.



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The 2.5 always seemed prone to bearing knock (IMHO), even on 4 star. Probably the long stroke, but unleaded made it worse !
Never had the thrust bearings fall out, but did fix an engine with a LOT of crank float, which did knock quite a bit (new bearings helped)

Here in New Zealand I see most of the surviving 2500TC are actually low compression MM engines....

Hope this info helps you !!

<did survey too>

Edited by RCK974X on Wednesday 31st January 23:11

tapkaJohnD

Original Poster:

1,941 posts

204 months

Wednesday 31st January 2018
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Thanks!
Of course, an engine is a complex system, with many factors that can add up to error.
It seesm to me that the state of the damper pulleys is one that is ignored and little understood.
That's why I'm asking about that, and only about that - the survey is very simple and wil take less than two minutes to complete!

John

Mr Tiger

406 posts

128 months

Monday 26th March 2018
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I've tried to access the survey site but get an error www.surveymo...co.uk’s server IP address could not be found.

Will you be developing a new crank pulley damper as part of your research?

Very best of luck.

Chris

tapkaJohnD

Original Poster:

1,941 posts

204 months

Wednesday 28th March 2018
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Survey closed now, Mr,Tiger, but thanks!

First objective will be a testing system for old pulleys. If owners can be shown that their pulley is substandard, then marketing a new one becomes easier!
John

vearlytr6

40 posts

69 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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Hello,Strange but the "6" crank damper is the reason I am fumbling around on these forums (have read the Kasner story) and better still the Jon Wood one in an old Triumph World called High Speed Files by Andy Butler. regards,Michael.

tapkaJohnD

Original Poster:

1,941 posts

204 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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Please tell me more!

PM me for my email, as I'd be most intwrsted on reading the TW story.
Thnaks
John

vearlytr6

40 posts

69 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Hello,How do I "PM" you?Regards,Michael.

tapkaJohnD

Original Poster:

1,941 posts

204 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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click on my name next the post, to send me a "Personal Message".
Then click on the "Email Me" button.

John

vearlytr6

40 posts

69 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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Hello,I sent you an email but...... havn't heard back.Regards,Michael.

tapkaJohnD

Original Poster:

1,941 posts

204 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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Don't know why it didn't work.
Tried to email you, in return but this site says you "Don't accept emails"
Change that and we'll try again?

John

vearlytr6

40 posts

69 months

Wednesday 1st August 2018
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Hello,will see what we can do when my wife comes home.Regards Michael.(can't understand the not accepting emails bit.Why would one have an email address if you don't accept emails??)

tapkaJohnD

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204 months

Wednesday 1st August 2018
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It's a setting on the board, if you do or do not wish to receive personal messages/emails.

Top left, "My Profile", bottom line "Members email: Allows other members to contact you via the forums etc. (your email address isn't revealed)"
Click in the box to tick it.

John

vearlytr6

40 posts

69 months

Wednesday 8th August 2018
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Hello,I did that a couple of days ago.Regards,Michael.

tapkaJohnD

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1,941 posts

204 months

Friday 10th August 2018
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You have PM, vearly
John