Is it Possible GT6 Question
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A better CV conversion is the Jones/Bowler conversion, which gets rid of the UJ and replaces the the original rear wheel bearings, which needs careful shimming when replacing, with a sealed MGF/Lotus bearing pack. http://www.gt6.ca/josh/cv_rotoflex.html and http://www.shadetreegarage.co.uk/Vitds1.htm
//j17 said:
Damn dirty cart spring/leaver arm damper loving MG driver!
The Triumph SC rear end is easy-enough to sort these days, and the only really killer one was the GT6 Mk 1 (95BHP through a budget rear end designed for 34.5BHP was never a very good idea). The GT6 Mk2/early Mk3 Rotoflex added a proper lower wishbone and is fine but the rubber doughnuts don't last for ever and repro ones are...variable.
One of the more popular was of sorting the bouncy bits of the rear end is a Rotoflex rear end with a set of MGF hubs and CV joints replacing the doughnuts - http://www.mikeross-dds.com/cv/CV.html.
I agree the later ones are better but lets be blunt they still aren't on a par with the lotus rear end. Plus the wide availability of diff/lsd packages makes it a really attractive proposition for a bespoke build.The Triumph SC rear end is easy-enough to sort these days, and the only really killer one was the GT6 Mk 1 (95BHP through a budget rear end designed for 34.5BHP was never a very good idea). The GT6 Mk2/early Mk3 Rotoflex added a proper lower wishbone and is fine but the rubber doughnuts don't last for ever and repro ones are...variable.
One of the more popular was of sorting the bouncy bits of the rear end is a Rotoflex rear end with a set of MGF hubs and CV joints replacing the doughnuts - http://www.mikeross-dds.com/cv/CV.html.
Rotoflexes are actually ok (although I would be wary about putting 200+bhp through them especially if that 200bhp is coming from a torquey engine) and when working well they do the job very effectively and provide a nice drive, but CV joints are the way forward for this one imo.
And you know our cartspring rear suspension is better really
You can get 190+ from a 6 engine but 230bhp is top spec all steel race engine levels and you will not get any where near this with the puny 2.0 litre 6. If you stick to the 6 you will need a heavily worked TR5/6 lump, which to get over 200bhp will really and 230 forget it unless you have 15k just for the engine.
Drop a Zetec in it. Or get a Tuned up TR6;)
Drop a Zetec in it. Or get a Tuned up TR6;)
sorry to co;e in so late - but why fit a horrible bmw straight six - heavy, weak top end, s
t on parts prices . having both an early gt6 mki and a 535 i + and old 3.0 si the triumph lump is sugar sweet - and so easy to get power of. Im running phoenix exhaust, basic head work, Su instead of stgrombergs- an easy 175 bhp with oodles more torque than a modern. Swing axle from dave at CC+ some better gearbox internals - from somewhere else- and you are hitting better reliability than your elise ever had
ps for engine choice you want to keep cool in the car too - i only drive in shorts - it gets boiling in the cockpit. my brothers std mkII is the same - with a webasto
t on parts prices . having both an early gt6 mki and a 535 i + and old 3.0 si the triumph lump is sugar sweet - and so easy to get power of. Im running phoenix exhaust, basic head work, Su instead of stgrombergs- an easy 175 bhp with oodles more torque than a modern. Swing axle from dave at CC+ some better gearbox internals - from somewhere else- and you are hitting better reliability than your elise ever had ps for engine choice you want to keep cool in the car too - i only drive in shorts - it gets boiling in the cockpit. my brothers std mkII is the same - with a webasto
I agree it is pointless on something like a GT6 on value of the car compared to how much time and effort is involved in a swap.
But the mods on a 2.0 6 will never show 175bhp unless huge moeny spent. You need the 2500 or TR5/6's 2.500 cc capacity.
Personally I can't see the point - just get a TR..........
But the mods on a 2.0 6 will never show 175bhp unless huge moeny spent. You need the 2500 or TR5/6's 2.500 cc capacity.
Personally I can't see the point - just get a TR..........
jellison said:
...Personally I can't see the point - just get a TR..........
Depends on the size of your wallet, a reasonable standard TR6 is going to cost in the region of £8k? For that sort of money you can pick up a near concurs GT6 and still have the money to turn it into a fast, free and high revving car.Horses for courses eh?
SpitBang said:
jellison said:
...Personally I can't see the point - just get a TR..........
Depends on the size of your wallet, a reasonable standard TR6 is going to cost in the region of £8k? For that sort of money you can pick up a near concurs GT6 and still have the money to turn it into a fast, free and high revving car.Horses for courses eh?
SpitBang said:
jellison said:
...Personally I can't see the point - just get a TR..........
Depends on the size of your wallet, a reasonable standard TR6 is going to cost in the region of £8k? For that sort of money you can pick up a near concurs GT6 and still have the money to turn it into a fast, free and high revving car.Horses for courses eh?
Modified cars will never return the money spent on them (with the strange exception of early 911s RS replicaised)
wildoliver said:
For the budget you would need to spend to get a really special GT6 built you can buy a nice tr5/6...Modified cars will never return the money spent on them (with the strange exception of early 911s RS replicaised)
True, but at what point did Snapper7 say "I want to build a car will be worth more than I spend on it", or "I like the look of the TR5/6"?He asked "Can I build a car that looks like a GT6 but goes and stops like a modern car"?
I fail to see how buying an average TR5 gets him a car that looks like a GT6 (because a TR5 doesn't) and stops/goes like a modern car (because neither a perfect GT6 or an average TR5 does).
All buying an average TR5 does it start Snapper7 shopping in M&S, smoking a pipe, wearing flat caps and string back driving gloves.
//j17 said:
wildoliver said:
For the budget you would need to spend to get a really special GT6 built you can buy a nice tr5/6...Modified cars will never return the money spent on them (with the strange exception of early 911s RS replicaised)
True, but at what point did Snapper7 say "I want to build a car will be worth more than I spend on it", or "I like the look of the TR5/6"?He asked "Can I build a car that looks like a GT6 but goes and stops like a modern car"?
I fail to see how buying an average TR5 gets him a car that looks like a GT6 (because a TR5 doesn't) and stops/goes like a modern car (because neither a perfect GT6 or an average TR5 does).
All buying an average TR5 does it start Snapper7 shopping in M&S, smoking a pipe, wearing flat caps and string back driving gloves.
This thing would cost and easy 50 grand today and blast off most TVR's round a track;)
The reason I like the GT6 is because I like coupes and the GT6 shape is IMHO a classic Coupe. But not being the sort of person that can do road side repairs I would like a car that is reliable and has the poke of a mdern day car with classic lines.
I have owned a Caterham, Series 2 Lotus Elise and a Series 2 Lotus Exige. All with modern running gear.I know that a GT6 will feel very old after having owned these cars. So I am just wondering if I can have my cake and eat it, as they say.
I would love the idea of a classic car that is as quick as say an Elise and with handling to match.
I have owned a Caterham, Series 2 Lotus Elise and a Series 2 Lotus Exige. All with modern running gear.I know that a GT6 will feel very old after having owned these cars. So I am just wondering if I can have my cake and eat it, as they say.
I would love the idea of a classic car that is as quick as say an Elise and with handling to match.
Snapper7 said:
I would love the idea of a classic car that is as quick as say an Elise and with handling to match.
You could through 10's of thousands at at GT6 and that woul never happen!You have to be realistic - you could get the speed with say a tricked up Zetec or similar but handling - er no never in a month of Sundays.
Maybe you should get an Exige;)
jellison said:
You have to be realistic - you could get the speed with say a tricked up Zetec or similar but handling - er no never in a month of Sundays.
To add, massive fan of the spit and GT6 in the looks department, less so on everything else. You can't help but love them though.Back on topic, in relation to the above. The only wayu to get the handling up would be to do the '62 Vette on a C5.
Mx-5? Z3? No idea tbh, but replacing the body of a newer car to look like a GT6, will be the only (reasonable) way of getting the handling up. Cost a bomb still and you will never get close to your money back. (That said ... its a GT6, why would you want to sell?)
I say the only reasonable way, since unless your an engineer, replacing the rear suspension with that from a written off Elise, changing the heavy steel body for fibreglass etc won't always have the right affects. Things to think about such as weight distribution, movement of high stresses to vulnerable areas etc etc etc.
Edited by Aiten on Wednesday 11th June 14:08
I never suggested using elise suspension, my suggestion was a heavily modified elan chassis which uses spitfire/herald/gt6 front suspension anyway, mated to a modified steel or fibreglass shell, with a variety of engine options giving a well balanced outstanding handling car, great choice of engines/boxes/diffs, better brakes than original and all round an updated feel.
That said it wouldn't be a gt6, it would only look like one.
That said it wouldn't be a gt6, it would only look like one.
Aiten said:
jellison said:
You have to be realistic - you could get the speed with say a tricked up Zetec or similar but handling - er no never in a month of Sundays.
To add, massive fan of the spit and GT6 in the looks department, less so on everything else. You can't help but love them though.Back on topic, in relation to the above. The only wayu to get the handling up would be to do the '62 Vette on a C5.
Mx-5? Z3? No idea tbh, but replacing the body of a newer car to look like a GT6, will be the only (reasonable) way of getting the handling up. Cost a bomb still and you will never get close to your money back. (That said ... its a GT6, why would you want to sell?)
I say the only reasonable way, since unless your an engineer, replacing the rear suspension with that from a written off Elise, changing the heavy steel body for fibreglass etc won't always have the right affects. Things to think about such as weight distribution, movement of high stresses to vulnerable areas etc etc etc.
Edited by Aiten on Wednesday 11th June 14:08
Personally I think it is Blasphamy to change the engine from the Original!!!!;););)
http://www.pistonheads.com/members/showcar.asp?car...
wildoliver said:
I never suggested using elise suspension.
I wasn't aiming it towards you, it was a generic example, sorry. I was merely trying to highlight that without deep knowledge of the math behind it, you may get unexpected/unwanted results.I agree though, it changes the car from a GT6 to a replica.
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