Is it Possible GT6 Question
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There was a company a few years ago doing something similar with Jaguars, they would take a mark 2 or e type and from the ground up re manufacture it in to a modern car with classic looks, I also looked at doing it with MG's and basically going that one step beyond the RV8 and doing the job properly, but sadly there is just no market out there for this sort of thing, while I have made some pretty special cars and been involved in the manufacture of some even lairier ones there comes a limit to the success of the operation, you either totally destroy the character of the original piece in the quest for performance or ironing out faults or ultimately fail to achieve the improvement required for the outlay of cash and time. The advice I tend to give nowadays is simple, if you want an elise buy an elise, if you want something that handles as well as an elise but will take you beyond 150mph buy a 911, if you want a classic or bespoke built car to stamp your mark on lets build you one.
In my opinion (and it is only opinion) the OP would be better off buying a really nice GT6 and having it as a weekend toy, and enjoying all the quirks that go as part of the ownership experience, and then buying a quick car and either sitting it by the side of the gt6 or using it as a daily driver.
Oliver
There was a company a few years ago doing something similar with Jaguars, they would take a mark 2 or e type and from the ground up re manufacture it in to a modern car with classic looks, I also looked at doing it with MG's and basically going that one step beyond the RV8 and doing the job properly, but sadly there is just no market out there for this sort of thing, while I have made some pretty special cars and been involved in the manufacture of some even lairier ones there comes a limit to the success of the operation, you either totally destroy the character of the original piece in the quest for performance or ironing out faults or ultimately fail to achieve the improvement required for the outlay of cash and time. The advice I tend to give nowadays is simple, if you want an elise buy an elise, if you want something that handles as well as an elise but will take you beyond 150mph buy a 911, if you want a classic or bespoke built car to stamp your mark on lets build you one.
In my opinion (and it is only opinion) the OP would be better off buying a really nice GT6 and having it as a weekend toy, and enjoying all the quirks that go as part of the ownership experience, and then buying a quick car and either sitting it by the side of the gt6 or using it as a daily driver.
Oliver
Snapper7 said:
OK some of you might think that I am made to even think this. But I love the style of the Triumph GT6 but don't want to own a car of that age with all the problems that tends to come with them.
So here is the big question. is it possible to get a GT6 in need of restoration, strip it down. Sort out the body work and then rebuild it with modern running gear? IE; suspension wheels and an up to date engine and gearbox. I was wondering if a powerful Ford Zetec or Duratec could be installed.
This way you bet the best of both worlds, a classic car the the power and reliability of a modern car with much better handling.
Has anyone done this or knows of a company that does? I know that there is a company that does this with the Lotus Elan +2.
Haven't read the whole thread so don't know what's been posted so far.So here is the big question. is it possible to get a GT6 in need of restoration, strip it down. Sort out the body work and then rebuild it with modern running gear? IE; suspension wheels and an up to date engine and gearbox. I was wondering if a powerful Ford Zetec or Duratec could be installed.
This way you bet the best of both worlds, a classic car the the power and reliability of a modern car with much better handling.
Has anyone done this or knows of a company that does? I know that there is a company that does this with the Lotus Elan +2.
But the answer is YES!
However it depends on how much money you want to spend to do it.
The engine and box woul most likely weigh more than the rest of the car and the back axle, diff drive shafts brakes etc woul be needing replacing, plus the front brake and all the suspesnion.
This is frankly (don't take this the wrong way) Barking propisal - you should just do something else - the car is too small fora huge V8 and even a mega tuned 4 will be stupid money when you add in all the other stuff that will be required.
DAFT.
Do it or move on;)
This is frankly (don't take this the wrong way) Barking propisal - you should just do something else - the car is too small fora huge V8 and even a mega tuned 4 will be stupid money when you add in all the other stuff that will be required.
DAFT.
Do it or move on;)
jellison said:
The engine and box woul most likely weigh more than the rest of the car and the back axle, diff drive shafts brakes etc woul be needing replacing, plus the front brake and all the suspesnion.
Chevy LS1 - 385lbsTriumph SC6 ~ 330lbs
So not much in it on the engine. Don't have weights for gearboxes but the Triumph cast iron casing with an overdrive on the back vs modern, probably alloy 5-speed box... probably not much either.
jellison said:
This is frankly (don't take this the wrong way) Barking propisal
You say that like it's a bad thing!Anyway a V8 in a GT6 isn't barking... a 27 liter V12 tank engine in a rover SD1 is barking - http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=1...
//j17 said:
Anyway a V8 in a GT6 isn't barking... a 27 liter V12 tank engine in a rover SD1 is barking - http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=1...
That's just mental!
//j17 said:
jellison said:
The engine and box woul most likely weigh more than the rest of the car and the back axle, diff drive shafts brakes etc woul be needing replacing, plus the front brake and all the suspesnion.
Chevy LS1 - 385lbsTriumph SC6 ~ 330lbs
So not much in it on the engine. Don't have weights for gearboxes but the Triumph cast iron casing with an overdrive on the back vs modern, probably alloy 5-speed box... probably not much either.
Make of that what you want.
Yep seen the Merlin SDI in the flesh - would be a fun ride. Well done job - NUTS though. Imagine the fuel bill!!!!!!!!!
jellison said:
Trust me I know about these things - see my Profile;) The Gearbox I us is HUGE compared to the TR one (I know this too - again see Profile;)). this would cost well upwards of 30k to do.
Make of that what you want.
Yep seen the Merlin SDI in the flesh - would be a fun ride. Well done job - NUTS though. Imagine the fuel bill!!!!!!!!!
So how does the TVR compare with the Chevy in it? was it worth while?Make of that what you want.
Yep seen the Merlin SDI in the flesh - would be a fun ride. Well done job - NUTS though. Imagine the fuel bill!!!!!!!!!
300bhp/ton said:
jellison said:
Trust me I know about these things - see my Profile;) The Gearbox I us is HUGE compared to the TR one (I know this too - again see Profile;)). this would cost well upwards of 30k to do.
Make of that what you want.
Yep seen the Merlin SDI in the flesh - would be a fun ride. Well done job - NUTS though. Imagine the fuel bill!!!!!!!!!
So how does the TVR compare with the Chevy in it? was it worth while?Make of that what you want.
Yep seen the Merlin SDI in the flesh - would be a fun ride. Well done job - NUTS though. Imagine the fuel bill!!!!!!!!!
d Child OF SATAN - fkING NUTS. But going soon - don't need it - get my kicks on track now - and have a Faster one to build;)
Off Topic;)
The trouble is, I wonder if the car will be worth less after the work than if you had restored it to halfway decent condition. The market for modded classics is relatively small.
I loved the GT6's I owned with an absolute passion but the car had prehistoric rear suspension (single transverse leaf spring which even Ford deleted with the 1950's Popular) which even in the later rotoflex models gave a very hard & uncomfortable ride, the diff and gearbox were often incapable of handling the power and the roof rusted fom the inside out. As I recall, the gearbox was originally a Standard 8 unit (modded) and would chew its syncromesh quite happily and throw the swarf into the overdrive. The seats were little more than bum perches. It was a GT in name, but only if you limited journeys to a couple of hours for fear of huge physiotherapy bills.
On balance I suspect the answer I prefer is "buy a TR6". This was, and remains, a relatively well-sorted car. I had one of those too and still regret selling.
I loved the GT6's I owned with an absolute passion but the car had prehistoric rear suspension (single transverse leaf spring which even Ford deleted with the 1950's Popular) which even in the later rotoflex models gave a very hard & uncomfortable ride, the diff and gearbox were often incapable of handling the power and the roof rusted fom the inside out. As I recall, the gearbox was originally a Standard 8 unit (modded) and would chew its syncromesh quite happily and throw the swarf into the overdrive. The seats were little more than bum perches. It was a GT in name, but only if you limited journeys to a couple of hours for fear of huge physiotherapy bills.
On balance I suspect the answer I prefer is "buy a TR6". This was, and remains, a relatively well-sorted car. I had one of those too and still regret selling.
Edited by fenderbender on Friday 27th June 15:34
fenderbender said:
The trouble is, I wonder if the car will be worth less after the work than if you had restored it to halfway decent condition. The market for modded classics is relatively small.
Pointless question really - restoring it to halfway decent is going to be a huge loss maker anyway (say £3000 to get a £4000 to £5000 level). If you get someone looking for an origonal car they won't pay as much but if you get someone looking for a modified car they will probably pay more.fenderbender said:
I loved the GT6's I owned with an absolute passion but the car had prehistoric rear suspension...
...On balance I suspect the answer I prefer is "buy a TR6".
Umm, K. Any chance you could re-read the origonal post and try again?...On balance I suspect the answer I prefer is "buy a TR6".
So your solution to someone looking to modify a GT6 because they like the shape but not the dodgy rear suspension is to tell him GT6s have dodgy rear suspension and to buy a TR6?
Why not just suggest he buys a BMW 330d? That also has better handling and more power.
Absolutely.
You could go radical and try to fit a Dolomite Sprint engine with the overdrive gearbox. What a lump that was when well sorted!
You could try to fit a Ford V6.
What I was trying to say was I don't think it is worth going to the expense and hassle to modify something which is basically badly engineered. The GT6 remains one of my favourite cars and I loved all three of mine to bits, (and spent a fortune on them) but there is an old, wise saying about silk purses and sows ears.
Caveat emptor.
You could go radical and try to fit a Dolomite Sprint engine with the overdrive gearbox. What a lump that was when well sorted!
You could try to fit a Ford V6.
What I was trying to say was I don't think it is worth going to the expense and hassle to modify something which is basically badly engineered. The GT6 remains one of my favourite cars and I loved all three of mine to bits, (and spent a fortune on them) but there is an old, wise saying about silk purses and sows ears.
Caveat emptor.
Why not use a TVR Chimaera chassis? the body comes off with 6 bolts and you get first class performance and handling with upto 5L injected V8. SC power now do a supercharger kit as well. The chassis will also take the chevy LS range. You can also buy brand new chassis if you want at around 4K.
The chassis is central spine with outriggers.
You could make a fiberglass GT6 body and bolt it over the chassis and then add big arches and lengthen the bonnet, etc if required. I would keep the glass/doors'/tailgate etc standard. There may be a problem with interior space with the bigger tunnel though.
I already have a pretty well used Chimaera and the son wants a GT6, which I also like. We would also both like a Track Day car. Guess i will have to get the measuring tape out!
The chassis is central spine with outriggers.
You could make a fiberglass GT6 body and bolt it over the chassis and then add big arches and lengthen the bonnet, etc if required. I would keep the glass/doors'/tailgate etc standard. There may be a problem with interior space with the bigger tunnel though.
I already have a pretty well used Chimaera and the son wants a GT6, which I also like. We would also both like a Track Day car. Guess i will have to get the measuring tape out!
Why not use a TVR Chimaera chassis? the body comes off with 6 bolts and you get first class performance and handling with upto 5L injected V8. SC power now do a supercharger kit as well. The chassis will also take the chevy LS range. You can also buy brand new chassis if you want at around 4K.
The chassis is central spine with outriggers.
You could make a fiberglass GT6 body and bolt it over the chassis and then add big arches and lengthen the bonnet, etc if required. I would keep the glass/doors'/tailgate etc standard. There may be a problem with interior space with the bigger tunnel though.
I already have a pretty well used Chimaera and the son wants a GT6, which I also like. We would also both like a Track Day car. Guess i will have to get the measuring tape out!
The chassis is central spine with outriggers.
You could make a fiberglass GT6 body and bolt it over the chassis and then add big arches and lengthen the bonnet, etc if required. I would keep the glass/doors'/tailgate etc standard. There may be a problem with interior space with the bigger tunnel though.
I already have a pretty well used Chimaera and the son wants a GT6, which I also like. We would also both like a Track Day car. Guess i will have to get the measuring tape out!
Chequred Demon said:
Why not use a TVR Chimaera chassis? the body comes off with 6 bolts and you get first class performance and handling with upto 5L injected V8. SC power now do a supercharger kit as well. The chassis will also take the chevy LS range. You can also buy brand new chassis if you want at around 4K.
The chassis is central spine with outriggers.
You could make a fiberglass GT6 body and bolt it over the chassis and then add big arches and lengthen the bonnet, etc if required. I would keep the glass/doors'/tailgate etc standard. There may be a problem with interior space with the bigger tunnel though.
I already have a pretty well used Chimaera and the son wants a GT6, which I also like. We would also both like a Track Day car. Guess i will have to get the measuring tape out!
6 BOLTS!!The chassis is central spine with outriggers.
You could make a fiberglass GT6 body and bolt it over the chassis and then add big arches and lengthen the bonnet, etc if required. I would keep the glass/doors'/tailgate etc standard. There may be a problem with interior space with the bigger tunnel though.
I already have a pretty well used Chimaera and the son wants a GT6, which I also like. We would also both like a Track Day car. Guess i will have to get the measuring tape out!
I Bloody hope not. It is 28 FYI.
http://www.pistonheads.com/members/showcar.asp?car...
Just get a TR6.
//j17 said:
Chequred Demon said:
Why not use a TVR Chimaera chassis?
TVR Chimarea = 1865mm wide.Triumph GT6 = 1486mm wide.
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