Winter tyres vol 2

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ChocolateFrog

24,869 posts

172 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Fair point but also worth noting that Michelin tend to produce some of the longest lasting tyres.

If they're 20% more but go 20% further you've had 100% of the better tyre for the same price.

Konan

1,817 posts

145 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Easternlight said:
Sorry but cross climates are expensive. They are consistently them dearest everywhere I've tried.
That's pretty much Michelin all round. No doubt they're good, but there are a bunch of premium brands that test just as well that are a notch cheaper.

The cross climate does excel at snow but i'm thinking in Suffolk it's pretty unlikely you'll have to deal with the worst of it. I 'managed' on Quatracs in a Yaris a few years ago when I was caught out in some fairly nasty conditions (everyone else was being pushed) and they're some of the worst at the snow side.

Not sure on Maxis for cars, but between them and Michelin you've got Goodyear, Yokohama, Vredestein, Hankook, Continental.

blueST

4,380 posts

215 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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ChocolateFrog said:
Fair point but also worth noting that Michelin tend to produce some of the longest lasting tyres.

If they're 20% more but go 20% further you've had 100% of the better tyre for the same price.
Tyrereviews.com has commented that Cross Climates seem to buck Michelin’s usual trend of long life, showing unusually high wear. I have a set, so will be interested to see how they go. I don’t do mega-miles though.

ChocolateFrog

24,869 posts

172 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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blueST said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Fair point but also worth noting that Michelin tend to produce some of the longest lasting tyres.

If they're 20% more but go 20% further you've had 100% of the better tyre for the same price.
Tyrereviews.com has commented that Cross Climates seem to buck Michelin’s usual trend of long life, showing unusually high wear. I have a set, so will be interested to see how they go. I don’t do mega-miles though.
Just taken mine off. Might measure them but after 5000 miles they look hardly worn.

The original Continental Eco Contacts that it came on new have done the same mileage within a couple of hundred and I have measured them, 6 and 5.5mm remaining and they looked noticeably worn from new.


timberman

1,280 posts

214 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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blueST said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Fair point but also worth noting that Michelin tend to produce some of the longest lasting tyres.

If they're 20% more but go 20% further you've had 100% of the better tyre for the same price.
Tyrereviews.com has commented that Cross Climates seem to buck Michelin’s usual trend of long life, showing unusually high wear. I have a set, so will be interested to see how they go. I don’t do mega-miles though.
Not in my experience

Our fronts were swapped for another pair about 12 months ago after lasting well over 30k miles,

the current fronts have managed around 15K miles since being fitted and are hardly worn,

the rears have now been on for approx 30k miles and still have over 4mm of tread left

Bonefish Blues

26,454 posts

222 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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timberman said:
blueST said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Fair point but also worth noting that Michelin tend to produce some of the longest lasting tyres.

If they're 20% more but go 20% further you've had 100% of the better tyre for the same price.
Tyrereviews.com has commented that Cross Climates seem to buck Michelin’s usual trend of long life, showing unusually high wear. I have a set, so will be interested to see how they go. I don’t do mega-miles though.
Not in my experience

Our fronts were swapped for another pair about 12 months ago after lasting well over 30k miles,

the current fronts have managed around 15K miles since being fitted and are hardly worn,

the rears have now been on for approx 30k miles and still have over 4mm of tread left
That comment related to the most recent model IIRC?

BIG DUNC

1,918 posts

222 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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Winter is round the corner, so time to light this thread up again.
Since last winter, I have acquired a new ((well) used) work horse. Obviously it will need a set of winter tyres.
What are peoples current thinking of best winter tyres for best grip when it is cold and wet? (a very subjective question I know).
The new (used but not too shabby) rims are 15 inch 6.5J. The existing summer tyres are 205/65-15.
Should I stick with the same for the winters, or is there a better size (either for better grip or better tyre choice)?
Pug Partner of that makes any difference.

RicksAlfas

13,355 posts

243 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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Unless there is a different size specified (which might mean new wheels) I’d stick with the current size and look for an all season tyre like the Goodyear Vector. If you are in Sussex as your profile suggests they will do everything you want.

FiF

43,965 posts

250 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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Sacked off my Nokian Weatherproofs due to combination of wear and light cracking between the tread blocks. First time for a good few years no longer running any vehicle on Nokians. (Aside from tyres unimpressed with their initial responses to Russia/Ukraine)

Replaced with Goodyear Vector 4Seasons Gen-3. Didn't have much snow last winter but we had fair bit of ice, and of course over the months a lot of rain. Excellent performance, more expensive than the Nokians but no quibble there.

Wear rate looks OK, and they're not cutting up on some of the sharp edged gravel roads I use several times a week, which is a distinct improvement.

Like other touring type all seasons don't perform as well on grass or mud as a proper knobbly All Terrain.

bolidemichael

13,723 posts

200 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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I’d usually wait until November to put winter tyres in the for UK, so not quite around the corner! Having said that, they’ll have to go on in October as I’ll be travelling through Germany where they’re strongly advised, if not mandatory, from mid-October.

I got a set of Michelin Pilot 5 Alpin last year and they are superb.

loskie

5,145 posts

119 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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I've fitted Davanti all seasons to a Golf Alltrack and they've been great. On the road and up grassy dewy field too. Replaced some Goodyear sports tyre on the car and are way better. £90 each for 18" locally


Jeeez it's Aug and we're on the winter tyres thread.

On the theme of winter tyres. I fitted them as far back as 2002.
Octavia SLX Tdi was doing big mileages over rural roads and attending a lot of rallies driving through forest stages.
I had Vredestein Wintrac
Quatrac and one year Avon Ice tourings(st)
Plus a V50 2.0D too

The Quatracs proved themselves at minus 15 through the Dalbeattie rally stage after 80 odd rally cars on hard packed ice/snow.

I'd choose those over the others any day plus I got sick of swappin' winter to summer when all seasons were grand.

I'm gonna wind folks up here and boldly state that most of you do not know what you are talkin' about.

Edited by loskie on Saturday 19th August 21:55

SAS Tom

3,398 posts

173 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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loskie said:
I've fitted Davanti all seasons to a Golf Alltrack and they've been great. On the road and up grassy dewy field too. Replaced some Goodyear sports tyre on the car and are way better. £90 each for 18" locally


Jeeez it's Aug and we're on the winter tyres thread.

On the theme of winter tyres. I fitted them as far back as 2002.
Octavia SLX Tdi was doing big mileages over rural roads and attending a lot of rallies driving through forest stages.
I had Vredestein Wintrac
Quatrac and one year Avon Ice tourings(st)
Plus a V50 2.0D too

The Quatracs proved themselves at minus 15 through the Dalbeattie rally stage after 80 odd rally cars on hard packed ice/snow.

I'd choose those over the others any day plus I got sick of swappin' winter to summer when all seasons were grand.

I'm gonna wind folks up here and boldly state that most of you do not know what you are talkin' about.

Edited by loskie on Saturday 19th August 21:55
Funny because I’d place anyone recommending Davanti anything to be firmly in the don’t know what they are talking about club too…

loskie

5,145 posts

119 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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have you tried them? I've tried a few.


It's very much like shoppers in Waitrose saying everything in Lidl/Aldi is crap.


Please explain to me why the AVON ICE TOURING were so bad. I bought them as a trusted British brand and they couldn't even get to my mothers house in the snow in a Volvo V50 when conditions were not that challenging.


Edited by loskie on Saturday 19th August 22:12

Speed 3

4,486 posts

118 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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Decisions for us soon. I had a set of Vredestein Wintracs on our F-Pace on dedicated wheels for the last 4 years but that's gone and we have an M340i Touring now. I didn't like the black wheels that came with it and bought another set of bi-colour wheels which are now on the car with non-runflat PS4S's but I've kept the blacks for winter. This year we're flying rather than driving to the Alps so don't know whether its worth buying winters this autumn or waiting a year. We're in SE England so not overly critical given we have the x-Drive but I'm always in favour of tyres suited to temps/wet. That said, the man maths on winters is a 4-year ownership profile so waiting another year doesn't make sense really. Different size wheels front/rear on this one also may be a factor.

If anyone wants our old wheels/wintracs for F-Pace or similar let me know.

Edited by Speed 3 on Saturday 19th August 22:12

loskie

5,145 posts

119 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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SAS Tom said:
loskie said:
I've fitted Davanti all seasons to a Golf Alltrack and they've been great. On the road and up grassy dewy field too. Replaced some Goodyear sports tyre on the car and are way better. £90 each for 18" locally


Jeeez it's Aug and we're on the winter tyres thread.

On the theme of winter tyres. I fitted them as far back as 2002.
Octavia SLX Tdi was doing big mileages over rural roads and attending a lot of rallies driving through forest stages.
I had Vredestein Wintrac
Quatrac and one year Avon Ice tourings(st)
Plus a V50 2.0D too

The Quatracs proved themselves at minus 15 through the Dalbeattie rally stage after 80 odd rally cars on hard packed ice/snow.

I'd choose those over the others any day plus I got sick of swappin' winter to summer when all seasons were grand.

I'm gonna wind folks up here and boldly state that most of you do not know what you are talkin' about.

Edited by loskie on Saturday 19th August 21:55
Funny because I’d place anyone recommending Davanti anything to be firmly in the don’t know what they are talking about club too…
Anyone that calls themselves "SAS tom" has to be a total Walt type.

Gtom

1,593 posts

131 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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I’m currently trying to sort out some all seasons for my Ford Kuga. It’s currently got the original cross climates on but they are starting to perish despite having decent tread depth. One also is full of tyre gunk after getting a staple in an unrepairable place, this may have buggered up the TPMS because I’m getting a warning for low pressure despite them all being fine.

Costco are working out at a decent price for Goodyears, £132/each fitted for 235/55/17’s but Camskill are doing Vredestein Quatrac Pro for £106 delivered and I know the local tyre place will fit them for a tenner each.

loskie

5,145 posts

119 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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I'd go Vredestein

The original and best

Gtom

1,593 posts

131 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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loskie said:
I'd go Vredestein

The original and best
I may reserve judgement for now seeing as you recommend devanti hedgemasters.

Sheepshanks

32,538 posts

118 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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Gtom said:
Costco are working out at a decent price for Goodyears, £132/each fitted for 235/55/17’s but Camskill are doing Vredestein Quatrac Pro for £106 delivered and I know the local tyre place will fit them for a tenner each.
Tyres on the Drive - which I think is just Halfords now - have 15% off Goodyear so come out a tad cheaper than Costco.

loskie

5,145 posts

119 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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Gtom said:
loskie said:
I'd go Vredestein

The original and best
I may reserve judgement for now seeing as you recommend devanti hedgemasters.
Like others have you tried them or anything to compare them to?

Keyboard warriors or those with FIRST hand experience?

Follow the sheep. Why not.


Edited by loskie on Saturday 19th August 23:29