Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
Gad-Westy said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Ooh, frost and ice for the i3 on winters this morning. Interesting comparison with last year in the Panda 4x4 on all seasons.
Would be interested to hear how you get on with the i3 on winters. We'll be picking one up in a few weeks once the E-Up has gone. Tyres options for the i3 are limited and I'm still weighing up whether to fit CC2's all round and be done with it or buy a second set of wheels and get dedicated winters on them. Probably leaning more towards the CC2 option but £170 per corner is hard to stomach for a 155 tyre! Our Panda 4x4 came on Conti All Season Contact 2's. Not tried them in snow yet but have high hopes.
I left it in standard Comfort mode, no fiddling with traction control, just jumped into the preheated car and drove away. I'm very impressed indeed.
It's also not just gripping the snow but also the movement to release and clear the treads.
Personal opinion incoming. If you want to use AI, get a subject that you really really know the true facts, the absolute ins and outs from end to end. Then ask AI about that subject and you'll quickly realise that it's a dangerous tool that produces a lot of stuff that to an untrained observer seems really plausible but is, in reality, just wrong. Points at Wikipedia as another example.
What AI is good for is inputting a stream of accurate consciousness into it, then asking it to put that into a coherent statement or argument which will probably be in a form that requires only minor adjustments for tone, appropriate language and maybe balance.
HTH
Personal opinion incoming. If you want to use AI, get a subject that you really really know the true facts, the absolute ins and outs from end to end. Then ask AI about that subject and you'll quickly realise that it's a dangerous tool that produces a lot of stuff that to an untrained observer seems really plausible but is, in reality, just wrong. Points at Wikipedia as another example.
What AI is good for is inputting a stream of accurate consciousness into it, then asking it to put that into a coherent statement or argument which will probably be in a form that requires only minor adjustments for tone, appropriate language and maybe balance.
HTH
I agree. AI spews out b
ks more times than it produces 100% accurate results.
It was more that if someone wants to challenge one of my very long held beliefs with an absolutism then I want to see very compelling evidence. We didn't get that and as ever the answer is likely to be much more nuanced.
ks more times than it produces 100% accurate results. It was more that if someone wants to challenge one of my very long held beliefs with an absolutism then I want to see very compelling evidence. We didn't get that and as ever the answer is likely to be much more nuanced.
Bonefish Blues said:
Gad-Westy said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Ooh, frost and ice for the i3 on winters this morning. Interesting comparison with last year in the Panda 4x4 on all seasons.
Would be interested to hear how you get on with the i3 on winters. We'll be picking one up in a few weeks once the E-Up has gone. Tyres options for the i3 are limited and I'm still weighing up whether to fit CC2's all round and be done with it or buy a second set of wheels and get dedicated winters on them. Probably leaning more towards the CC2 option but £170 per corner is hard to stomach for a 155 tyre! Our Panda 4x4 came on Conti All Season Contact 2's. Not tried them in snow yet but have high hopes.
I left it in standard Comfort mode, no fiddling with traction control, just jumped into the preheated car and drove away. I'm very impressed indeed.
Gad-Westy said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Gad-Westy said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Ooh, frost and ice for the i3 on winters this morning. Interesting comparison with last year in the Panda 4x4 on all seasons.
Would be interested to hear how you get on with the i3 on winters. We'll be picking one up in a few weeks once the E-Up has gone. Tyres options for the i3 are limited and I'm still weighing up whether to fit CC2's all round and be done with it or buy a second set of wheels and get dedicated winters on them. Probably leaning more towards the CC2 option but £170 per corner is hard to stomach for a 155 tyre! Our Panda 4x4 came on Conti All Season Contact 2's. Not tried them in snow yet but have high hopes.
I left it in standard Comfort mode, no fiddling with traction control, just jumped into the preheated car and drove away. I'm very impressed indeed.
FiF said:
Personal opinion incoming. If you want to use AI, get a subject that you really really know the true facts, the absolute ins and outs from end to end. Then ask AI about that subject and you'll quickly realise that it's a dangerous tool that produces a lot of stuff that to an untrained observer seems really plausible but is, in reality, just wrong.
This is exactly what everyone should do. And then go tell everyone else to do the same.It's like a compulsive poster on a forum, if you ask a question it WILL have a stab at the answer based on things it's read before which sound vaguely connected. This will include words that sound relevant.
Of course, to complete the forum analogy, we also need an AI to specifically post "why would you do that anyway?" to every question too
Not wanting to start a new topic, but I'm just looking for opinions on the following 3 choices:
Car is a 2004 Impreza WRX.
Summer tyres are Goodyear Assy 5's
Over the Winter months Dec - Late Feb I expect to do 2k - 2.5K miles - A roads, Dual carriageways, and B road Country lanes early morning and late at night for commuting etc. Zero motorway miles.
I've got another set of alloys and am looking for putting All Seasons on it for the mild winters we get in Suffolk just to not only extend the life of the assy's but also to give me a bit of a headstart when we have a light dusting of snow and slushy conditions.
Choices are:
Cross Climates 3 (£154 per corner but 15% off to be deducted)
Conti All season (£129 per corner so roughly the same as above but no discount)
Vredenstien Ultrac Pro (£125 per corner but as per the CC3's, 15% off to be deducted).
I intend to run the All Seasons until the clocks change, aiming to equalise the life out of the 2 sets.
Car is a 2004 Impreza WRX.
Summer tyres are Goodyear Assy 5's
Over the Winter months Dec - Late Feb I expect to do 2k - 2.5K miles - A roads, Dual carriageways, and B road Country lanes early morning and late at night for commuting etc. Zero motorway miles.
I've got another set of alloys and am looking for putting All Seasons on it for the mild winters we get in Suffolk just to not only extend the life of the assy's but also to give me a bit of a headstart when we have a light dusting of snow and slushy conditions.
Choices are:
Cross Climates 3 (£154 per corner but 15% off to be deducted)
Conti All season (£129 per corner so roughly the same as above but no discount)
Vredenstien Ultrac Pro (£125 per corner but as per the CC3's, 15% off to be deducted).
I intend to run the All Seasons until the clocks change, aiming to equalise the life out of the 2 sets.
texaxile said:
Not wanting to start a new topic, but I'm just looking for opinions on the following 3 choices:
Car is a 2004 Impreza WRX.
Summer tyres are Goodyear Assy 5's
Over the Winter months Dec - Late Feb I expect to do 2k - 2.5K miles - A roads, Dual carriageways, and B road Country lanes early morning and late at night for commuting etc. Zero motorway miles.
I've got another set of alloys and am looking for putting All Seasons on it for the mild winters we get in Suffolk just to not only extend the life of the assy's but also to give me a bit of a headstart when we have a light dusting of snow and slushy conditions.
Choices are:
Cross Climates 3 (£154 per corner but 15% off to be deducted)
Conti All season (£129 per corner so roughly the same as above but no discount)
Vredenstien Ultrac Pro (£125 per corner but as per the CC3's, 15% off to be deducted).
I intend to run the All Seasons until the clocks change, aiming to equalise the life out of the 2 sets.
Wifey's Forester XT is on Vredestein Quatrac Pro (did you mean to write Quatrac Pro?), we've had several sets of previous Quatracs on family cars for years now and the Pros carry on just doing whatever you want of them.Car is a 2004 Impreza WRX.
Summer tyres are Goodyear Assy 5's
Over the Winter months Dec - Late Feb I expect to do 2k - 2.5K miles - A roads, Dual carriageways, and B road Country lanes early morning and late at night for commuting etc. Zero motorway miles.
I've got another set of alloys and am looking for putting All Seasons on it for the mild winters we get in Suffolk just to not only extend the life of the assy's but also to give me a bit of a headstart when we have a light dusting of snow and slushy conditions.
Choices are:
Cross Climates 3 (£154 per corner but 15% off to be deducted)
Conti All season (£129 per corner so roughly the same as above but no discount)
Vredenstien Ultrac Pro (£125 per corner but as per the CC3's, 15% off to be deducted).
I intend to run the All Seasons until the clocks change, aiming to equalise the life out of the 2 sets.
Used it today for work as it happens, supremely chuckable and stable whatever the weather throws at it, haven't sensed the slightest slip or worrying moment on them, clears standing water easily too.
Used to run seperate winter/summer sets, but found some full winters not to have the best grip on warm damp winter days, found Vredestein Winter Extemes to be the exception to that they gripped really well on our Hilux some years back so much so that i came under pressure fgrom wifey to leave them on as long as possible into late spring.
Smint said:
Wifey's Forester XT is on Vredestein Quatrac Pro (did you mean to write Quatrac Pro?), we've had several sets of previous Quatracs on family cars for years now and the Pros carry on just doing whatever you want of them.
Used it today for work as it happens, supremely chuckable and stable whatever the weather throws at it, haven't sensed the slightest slip or worrying moment on them, clears standing water easily too.
Used to run seperate winter/summer sets, but found some full winters not to have the best grip on warm damp winter days, found Vredestein Winter Extemes to be the exception to that they gripped really well on our Hilux some years back so much so that i came under pressure fgrom wifey to leave them on as long as possible into late spring.
Yep, sorry my bad, Quatrac pro is what I meant Used it today for work as it happens, supremely chuckable and stable whatever the weather throws at it, haven't sensed the slightest slip or worrying moment on them, clears standing water easily too.
Used to run seperate winter/summer sets, but found some full winters not to have the best grip on warm damp winter days, found Vredestein Winter Extemes to be the exception to that they gripped really well on our Hilux some years back so much so that i came under pressure fgrom wifey to leave them on as long as possible into late spring.
. They're coming in cheapest and at around £500 fully fitted less 15% and seem to be suited to Subaru's in general.Versus the CC3 at £616 less 15% is a fair difference, but the Vreds don't do fantastically in the Tyre reviews, which is my main concern - but, the caveat being that some tyres really suit some cars in real world experience, and all the opinions I've seen are all positive for the Vreds when fitted to Subaru's.
Hard to decide though, because they really suffer badly in poor conditions on the reviews.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre-Tests/2022-Tyre-R...
texaxile said:
Smint said:
Wifey's Forester XT is on Vredestein Quatrac Pro (did you mean to write Quatrac Pro?), we've had several sets of previous Quatracs on family cars for years now and the Pros carry on just doing whatever you want of them.
Used it today for work as it happens, supremely chuckable and stable whatever the weather throws at it, haven't sensed the slightest slip or worrying moment on them, clears standing water easily too.
Used to run seperate winter/summer sets, but found some full winters not to have the best grip on warm damp winter days, found Vredestein Winter Extemes to be the exception to that they gripped really well on our Hilux some years back so much so that i came under pressure fgrom wifey to leave them on as long as possible into late spring.
Yep, sorry my bad, Quatrac pro is what I meant Used it today for work as it happens, supremely chuckable and stable whatever the weather throws at it, haven't sensed the slightest slip or worrying moment on them, clears standing water easily too.
Used to run seperate winter/summer sets, but found some full winters not to have the best grip on warm damp winter days, found Vredestein Winter Extemes to be the exception to that they gripped really well on our Hilux some years back so much so that i came under pressure fgrom wifey to leave them on as long as possible into late spring.
. They're coming in cheapest and at around £500 fully fitted less 15% and seem to be suited to Subaru's in general.Versus the CC3 at £616 less 15% is a fair difference, but the Vreds don't do fantastically in the Tyre reviews, which is my main concern - but, the caveat being that some tyres really suit some cars in real world experience, and all the opinions I've seen are all positive for the Vreds when fitted to Subaru's.
Hard to decide though, because they really suffer badly in poor conditions on the reviews.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre-Tests/2022-Tyre-R...
texaxile said:
I've got another set of alloys and am looking for putting All Seasons on it for the mild winters we get in Suffolk just to not only extend the life of the assy's but also to give me a bit of a headstart when we have a light dusting of snow and slushy conditions.
Based on this statement from you & the following in the conclusion from Jon, I would say the Hankooks are right up your alley."The Hankook Kinergy 4S2 H750 finishes an impressive second in the balanced results, but even more impressively it wins with the mild climate score weighting! The Hankook was just incredibly consistent, finishing first place in both aquaplaning tests, second in wet handling, wet braking and dry braking, third in snow handling, and fourth in snow traction, snow braking and dry handling! It's only let down, which we've seen in other tests, is an increased rolling resistance, but given how exceptional it is in every other category, I highly recommend this tyre. Outstanding work by Hankook."
E-bmw said:
texaxile said:
I've got another set of alloys and am looking for putting All Seasons on it for the mild winters we get in Suffolk just to not only extend the life of the assy's but also to give me a bit of a headstart when we have a light dusting of snow and slushy conditions.
Based on this statement from you & the following in the conclusion from Jon, I would say the Hankooks are right up your alley."The Hankook Kinergy 4S2 H750 finishes an impressive second in the balanced results, but even more impressively it wins with the mild climate score weighting! The Hankook was just incredibly consistent, finishing first place in both aquaplaning tests, second in wet handling, wet braking and dry braking, third in snow handling, and fourth in snow traction, snow braking and dry handling! It's only let down, which we've seen in other tests, is an increased rolling resistance, but given how exceptional it is in every other category, I highly recommend this tyre. Outstanding work by Hankook."
texaxile said:
I've got another set of alloys and am looking for putting All Seasons on it for the mild winters we get in Suffolk just to not only extend the life of the assy's but also to give me a bit of a headstart when we have a light dusting of snow and slushy conditions.
I ran 2 sets of wheels for years. Started off alternating summer and winter but on the last change I went with a all season instead of winter because we rarely get anything that awful in East Anglia and 4 seasons are still miles ahead when I did end up out in anything nasty.Having run 4 season on a Legacy daily, I've found they're way better for most of winter and I'd probably be happy year round. Car wasn't the last word in performance so summers were more a 'treat' than essential, I probably could've lived with 4 season all round. They were Hankook 4S2 and, beyond feeling a bit more squishy than my Ultracs, I'd be hard pushed to fault them.
Have also run Quatrac 5 (not pro) on a 1.8 Yaris SR. Even in the summer, they were better in the wet than the Nankang NS2 that came on the car (which were admittedly bloody useless). And they managed to get my home when I got caught in about 5 inches of fresh snowfall.
I missed out on the Costco deal for Michelin Cross Climates, National Tyres came up trumps with a Black Friday 25% off deal (they were way overpriced at full price though.
225/55/19 Goodyear 4 season gen 3’s for £135 each fitted.
I used them 3 years ago, similar deal, same tyres on a different car. The tyres have still got loads of tread over 15k miles later so I’m happy enough.
Will be interesting to see how a hybrid copes in snow if we have some.
225/55/19 Goodyear 4 season gen 3’s for £135 each fitted.
I used them 3 years ago, similar deal, same tyres on a different car. The tyres have still got loads of tread over 15k miles later so I’m happy enough.
Will be interesting to see how a hybrid copes in snow if we have some.
Gtom said:
I missed out on the Costco deal for Michelin Cross Climates, National Tyres came up trumps with a Black Friday 25% off deal (they were way overpriced at full price though.
225/55/19 Goodyear 4 season gen 3 s for £135 each fitted.
I used them 3 years ago, similar deal, same tyres on a different car. The tyres have still got loads of tread over 15k miles later so I m happy enough.
Will be interesting to see how a hybrid copes in snow if we have some.
My dad fitted Goodyear all seasons to his hybrid Lexus with good results. He doesn’t do much driving now (he’s 78) but managed to get to the supermarket without issue in 4” of snow. 225/55/19 Goodyear 4 season gen 3 s for £135 each fitted.
I used them 3 years ago, similar deal, same tyres on a different car. The tyres have still got loads of tread over 15k miles later so I m happy enough.
Will be interesting to see how a hybrid copes in snow if we have some.
As mentioned a couple of months ago, stepped into the world of all seasons, and up here in the North East of Scotland we've had a good dump of snow, with no signs of it abating. Have to say after a couple of hours driving out in the 'shire in essentially white out conditions, I'm very impressed with the Michelin Cross Climates (avec 3 peak symbol which effectively means they are winter tyres).
Felt just as secure as the Nokians (on a Mustang) and Continental (VW T6) full winters I've had in the past. Although it's a 3t van, so the extra weight probably helps too....
Felt just as secure as the Nokians (on a Mustang) and Continental (VW T6) full winters I've had in the past. Although it's a 3t van, so the extra weight probably helps too....
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