Toyo T1R vs. TR1?

[MRichards99]

I've recently noticed that Demon Tweeks has stopped listing Toyo T1-Rs ( https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/toyo-t1-r-tyre-249... ) in the size I use (195/50/15) which is a very common size. I've also noticed that they're selling another Toyo tyre, the TR1 ( https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/toyo-proxes-tr1-ty... ) which according to Toyo's website is new. Is the TR1 a replacement for the T1R? It looks as if the TR1 would be better in the wet (looks like they've looked at what Uniroyal are doing) but I just wondered if anyone knew if it's a direct replacement or not? The price of the TR1 on Demon Tweeks is about the same as it used to be for the T1Rs, hence I'm thinking it might be. All searches I've made on Google for 'TR1' just make reference T1Rs, caused by typos.

Edited by MRichards99 on Tuesday 19th March 13:56

[Krikkit]

I believe the T1-R has been out of production for quite a while in 195/50. The TR1 looks rather good, at £33/each it's somewhat of a bargain as well.

[rallycross]

Krikkit said:

I believe the T1-R has been out of production for quite a while in 195/50. The TR1 looks rather good, at £33/each it's somewhat of a bargain as well.

There is a reason they are cheap they are a budget tyre, very poor grip in the cold and damp and very soft sidewalls giving poor turn in and no feels.

Simple rule for tyres - Pay for rubbish and get rubbish.

[TheLuke]

rallycross said:

Krikkit said:

I believe the T1-R has been out of production for quite a while in 195/50. The TR1 looks rather good, at £33/each it's somewhat of a bargain as well.

There is a reason they are cheap they are a budget tyre, very poor grip in the cold and damp and very soft sidewalls giving poor turn in and no feels.

Simple rule for tyres - Pay for rubbish and get rubbish.

Well we all know you'd put nothing but the finest Continental tyres on your car.


I'm jesting, but I actually agree, however they do have a place in market for a cheaper "performance" tyre.

[Kewy]

Got to agree with the advise to steer clear of these tyres.

I ran T1R's for the best part of a year (up until about December). The problem was, that when I fitted them I didn't really notice how bad they were. I noticed the soft sidewalls immediately, they feel very floaty when cornering fast and not very confidence inspiring. But if you increase the PSI you can combat this a bit, and the grip was okay.

It wasn't until I put my winter wheels back on that are fitted with Eagle F1's that I realised quite how awful the T1R's were, and they will not be going back on my car this summer.

[rallycross]

TheLuke said:

however they do have a place in market for a cheaper "performance" tyre.

Only the advert says the are performance tyres, they are cheap nasty rubbish, I’ve had the misfortune to have them on several cars over the past 10 years, including using them on a track car . Fine if you want some cheap tyres to pass an mot, no use on a performance car.

[griffdude]

Ah, that’s interesting. Toyo have replaced the T1R at last! The revised tread pattern looks a little like a Rainsport 3.

[LordHaveMurci]

T1R's can work well on lighter cars, I ran them on my 172 Cup for 6-7yrs & did a seasons hillclimbing on them.

Replaced them with Mich PS3's & the difference is nowhere near as big as I thought it would be despite the significant increase in cost.

You do have to keep the pressures up on the Toyos though.

[lyonspride]

Both tyres are designed for light weight trackday orientated sportscars, which are used on the road as well as track.

I run T1Rs on my Westfield (550kg), I can actually run them at a proper PSI instead of the 16psi I had to run the previous Pirellis on (which were like iceskates at anything over 18psi).

Sticking these on your family shopping trolley, it's kinda like putting running shoes on a fat bloke.

Edited by lyonspride on Thursday 21st March 09:41

[Krikkit]

LordHaveMurci said:

T1R's can work well on lighter cars, I ran them on my 172 Cup for 6-7yrs & did a seasons hillclimbing on them.

Agreed- had them on both my Clio and 106, fantasic tyres.

[kambites]

LordHaveMurci said:

T1R's can work well on lighter cars,

They feel absolutely vile on an Elise; by far the worst feeling type I've ever experienced on one. The Nankang NS2R is an infinitely preferable "budget performance tyre".

Edited by kambites on Thursday 21st March 09:53

[Kewy]

Krikkit said:

LordHaveMurci said:

T1R's can work well on lighter cars, I ran them on my 172 Cup for 6-7yrs & did a seasons hillclimbing on them.

Agreed- had them on both my Clio and 106, fantasic tyres.

This is really interested, because a lot of the Civic drivers absolutely hate them and say they are useless. I found them to be mediocre, not as bad as they were made out to be – and I put this down to my car being heavier (Accord). But I'd far from consider them a fantastic tyre.

[s m]

Kewy said:

Krikkit said:

LordHaveMurci said:

T1R's can work well on lighter cars, I ran them on my 172 Cup for 6-7yrs & did a seasons hillclimbing on them.

Agreed- had them on both my Clio and 106, fantasic tyres.

This is really interested, because a lot of the Civic drivers absolutely hate them and say they are useless. I found them to be mediocre, not as bad as they were made out to be – and I put this down to my car being heavier (Accord). But I'd far from consider them a fantastic tyre.

I got a set years back for a 1170kg rwd car ( similar weight to your ATR Kewy ). Have to agree they were awful so had them taken off after a couple of thousand miles

Kept 'em for emergencies in the back of a dark shed!

[df76]

Seriously impressed that Toyo has managed to keep selling the T1-R for over 15 years. Amazing really.

New tyre looks a Rainsport copy.

[Captain Smerc]

T1R 's on my Smart Roady for the past 18 months , they work well imo .

[unbiased]

Kewy said:

Krikkit said:

LordHaveMurci said:

T1R's can work well on lighter cars, I ran them on my 172 Cup for 6-7yrs & did a seasons hillclimbing on them.

Agreed- had them on both my Clio and 106, fantasic tyres.

This is really interested, because a lot of the Civic drivers absolutely hate them and say they are useless. I found them to be mediocre, not as bad as they were made out to be – and I put this down to my car being heavier (Accord). But I'd far from consider them a fantastic tyre.

I had them on a 172 and I found them terrible. No bite on turn in due to the soft sidewalls, and shocking in the wet.

[LordHaveMurci]

unbiased said:

I had them on a 172 and I found them terrible. No bite on turn in due to the soft sidewalls, and shocking in the wet.

Out of curiosity, do you remember what pressures you ran them at & what else did you run as a comparison?

[caelite]

Krikkit said:

LordHaveMurci said:

T1R's can work well on lighter cars, I ran them on my 172 Cup for 6-7yrs & did a seasons hillclimbing on them.

Agreed- had them on both my Clio and 106, fantasic tyres.

Ditto MX5, got a bit tail happy on damp roads, but a nice progressive breakaway & just enough grip to keep a relatively low powered RWD car fun.

[unbiased]

LordHaveMurci said:

unbiased said:

I had them on a 172 and I found them terrible. No bite on turn in due to the soft sidewalls, and shocking in the wet.

Out of curiosity, do you remember what pressures you ran them at & what else did you run as a comparison?

IIRC pressures were around 32, and I ran them back to back with AD08s (so quite a gulf in price!)

[anonymous-user]

I had a friend on PH, his name was Berkshire Bred
One day he bought Toyo tyres, and now I think he’s dead.