RE: Why tyre markings matter | PH Explains

[Sheepshanks]

E-bmw said:

I assume you are quite flippant with your regard for Ts & Cs then?

It isn't "all you can eat" at all, it is unlimited charging on days/times that they control, which is far from "all you can eat".

It is also "smart charging" so will likely involve an agreement to use the battery in the EV to back up the grid at other times.

Also, does not work with all car makes/charger types.

Blimey.

I don't think V2G works at all yet - but anyway, that's not part of the deal.

The car is used for a hefty daily commute and charges overnight. Confused about why it would matter to us which cars / chargers it works with? It works with her charger.

It's not completely unlimited - there is a "fair usage" clause - but it falls well for her. But home charging is so cheap anyway that at the new £30/mth rate it starts to get marginal whether PAYG would be cheaper.

The great thing with the fixed fee is no concerns about efficiency - I was bothered that she'd get terrible miles per kWh as her commute is a fast motorway run and there's no way she'd do things like back off on the heating / a/c etc but now that doesn't matter.

Back to tyres - it also meant I wasn't bothered if the CrossClimates worsened the efficiency vs the Nexan EV tyres the car came with. But in practice they don't.

[Magikarp]

andburg said:

My pet peeve is seeing a really sporty or expensive car fitted with cheap no name ditch finders.

Who buys a Porsche cayman and fits linglong tyres?

Wasnt there an article not long back where they fitted new tyres to the carrera gt and took seconds off its Nurburgring record? Shows how much tyre technology is advancing.

I remember seeing a BMW M5 (E39) at a specialist that had Barum tyres. Idiocy,

[charles-42p2c]

Ron240 said:

ou bought your daughter a brand new EV...she has a very generous daddy.
It was the colour and options she wanted surely...or does she just take what she is given with no input?

I am seriously struggling to believe that her (or more likely your) electricity charging costs could possibly be cheaper for a whole year than it would be for just one month in petrol.
A lot of people grossly underestimate the annual cost of charging an EV.

He’s right tho, I run an Ioniq 5N as my daily (which is bloody excellent and FAR more fun than my M4 comp) and I pay 7p a kWh electricity on my tariff.
12k miles a year is about 5k kWh so £350.
In my M4 that’d be £3500 of super.

[Ron240]

charles-42p2c said:

I run an Ioniq 5N as my daily (which is bloody excellent and FAR more fun than my M4 comp) and I pay 7p a kWh electricity on my tariff.
12k miles a year is about 5k kWh so £350.
In my M4 that d be £3500 of super.

A couple of questions...
Why do you bother having an M4 Competition at all when by your own admission the Ioniq 5N is FAR more fun?
How long do you think these ultra cheap tariffs will still be available?

[charles-42p2c]

Ron240 said:

couple of questions...
Why do you bother having an M4 Competition at all when by your own admission the Ioniq 5N is FAR more fun?
How long do you think these ultra cheap tariffs will still be available?

I don’t, I sold it and my other car is an A110S….polar opposite to the 5N and also great fun but not a daily.

And yes…I do. We have very expensive electricity in the uk vs most of the west and if anything the expectation is that it will align over the next decade…

[Ron240]

charles-42p2c said:

And yes I do. We have very expensive electricity in the uk vs most of the west and if anything the expectation is that it will align over the next decade

Fair enough on the M4, but I dont thinlk you understood what I was asking regarding the tariffs.
7p per kWh that you are getting right now is very cheap, so I was asking how long do you think this will still be available.
Now I am assuming this is some kind of special EV charging tariff, but once the government has its way and we can no longer buy new internal combustion engine vehicles, then the cost to charge EV's will significantly ramp up.
It would take a brave or naive person to bet against this happening.

Meanwhile everybody else here is thinking, WTF has this got to do with tyre markings.

[charles-42p2c]

Ron240 said:

air enough on the M4, but I dont thinlk you understood what I was asking regarding the tariffs.
7p per kWh that you are getting right now is very cheap, so I was asking how long do you think this will still be available.
Now I am assuming this is some kind of special EV charging tariff, but once the government has its way and we can no longer buy new internal combustion engine vehicles, then the cost to charge EV's will significantly ramp up.
It would take a brave or naive person to bet against this happening.

Meanwhile everybody else here is thinking, WTF has this got to do with tyre markings.

I understand your question…I think electricity will generally come down and whether we still have as much access to cheap tariffs is for the providers I guess rather than the govt. The govt will for sure ramp up taxes but that’ll be for everyone so….

And yeah, we have somewhat digressed 😆

[Sheepshanks]

Ron240 said:

air enough on the M4, but I dont thinlk you understood what I was asking regarding the tariffs.
7p per kWh that you are getting right now is very cheap, so I was asking how long do you think this will still be available.
Now I am assuming this is some kind of special EV charging tariff, but once the government has its way and we can no longer buy new internal combustion engine vehicles, then the cost to charge EV's will significantly ramp up.
It would take a brave or naive person to bet against this happening.

Eventually the cost of running an EV will be the same as an ICE is now. It's got to be a zero sum for the Government. Pay per mile would be my guess - it's already perfectly feasible.

Same with salary sacrifice EVs - that's a completely insane situation at the moment.

But right now, it'd be daft not to take advantage if you can and it makes sense for you personally.

[EV8]

stevieturbo said:

Long overdue this sham labelling was banned.

There are no standards, manufacturers make up their own labels, and cheap Chinese tyres are oftenn dangerous, yet might label A or B in terms of performance.

But would we expect anything other than a scam from the EU ?

Scam from the EU? Last time I checked, you are not a part of EU.
Your lives are much better now?

[stevieturbo]

EV8 said:

Scam from the EU? Last time I checked, you are not a part of EU.
Your lives are much better now?

What did you check ? Starmer's ahole ?

[CDP]

Sheepshanks said:

Got a brand new EV with Nexan s. I d ordered a set of CrossClimates from Costco before it arrived - had them fitted a few days later.

Are Nexen actually that bad? I'm assuming it's probably a Korean EV which suggests they may actually have been developed alongside the car.

Admittedly Korean Hankook were pretty awful on my Mazda 6 and just sticking Fuldas on was a massive improvement (it was an old car bought for temporary use). Mostly I buy Continental though the MG TF had Toyos which is what MG recommended, I did stick Yokohamas on the A4 but they're pretty decent (we've used them for racing in 750MC).

I've just had an MG EV4 for hire in Germany and it was on Chinese tyres - would you have turned the car down on this basis?

[Sheepshanks]

CDP said:

Are Nexen actually that bad? I'm assuming it's probably a Korean EV which suggests they may actually have been developed alongside the car.

Well, it turned out they'd probably have been fine, at least so far.

It's a Gen 2 Hyundia Kona and I read pretty poor reviews of how the Kona copes in poor weather but they were mainly based on the Gen1. Hyundai have much better calibration on the power input on the Gen 2 so it's nothing like as manic.

The car lives in a rural area and daughter's house is on a steepish hill with two very tight uphill turns out. Going downhill is a long way around and risks sliding across a junction. She's out early so I wanted to do all I could to make it easy.

In practice we had such a mild winter that it wouldn't have been a problem. Although most of her commute is on a motorway that's notorious for getting streaming wet and having standing water.


I was also a bit swayed by Costco having an offer on, and that the Pistonheads Michelin cashback would work too (Michelin's offers don't usually apply to Costco purchases). So the set turned out to be a very reasonable price.

[CDP]

Sheepshanks said:

CDP said:

Are Nexen actually that bad? I'm assuming it's probably a Korean EV which suggests they may actually have been developed alongside the car.

Well, it turned out they'd probably have been fine, at least so far..

I suspect there's been a lot of catchup with the cheaper brands, not that Nexen are cheap.

There are factories in China making big brand tyres so I'd expect their up and coming makers will have poached staff - at the very least the production will be safe. Tread patterns and construction will have been copied (used for influence) so it's the compound which will be the most difficult thing to poach. Remember they operate in a highly competitive market too and some of their EVs in particular will demand decent performance.

Our main issue is we've little to now idea which far east brands are good and which are ditch finders. When I bought the TF it had a pair of unknown Japanese tyres on the back - it was sideways everywhere and the correct Goodyears GS02s solved this. Until they weren't available and MG put out a warning not to use GS03s.. (The little mid engine cars are highly tyre sensitive - my MR2 very much so).

Strangely the Chinese Runways that came on a spare set of wheels for the MG drove really well and the car would gently oversteer quite progressively. I noticed cracks appeared between the tread blocks so replaced them but was disappointed because they seemed to be quite a find. We'd inspected them before they went on the car and seemed good but don't know if they'd been badly stored or damaged. The on-limit handling was very good and the MG-OC manager initially thought they were Goodyear (apparently the tread pattern was a dead ringer).. That was about 15 years go.