Orange peel removal!!

[kds keltec]

nickg123 said:

I did a Range Rover this weekend, which badly needed some wet sanding on the near side rear 1/4 and rear door where it had been resprayed and blended half way down the door.

I don't for one minute put myself near KDS in terms of experience, skill or craftsmanship but I still spent 5+ hours on this wet sanding to get it as good as I possibly good.... Thorough wipe-downs, 1500,2000,3000 & 4000 grit used before polishing up in 3 stages with multiple products.

There was over 300microns on this section so plenty to work with but I still took my time, and made sure I removed as much orange peel to the point it didn't look odd with the rest of the car.



I wouldn't personally be comfortable even trying to do a whole car in 20 hours, let alone promising it!!

Looks great and much better turn around

One thing be careful with paint depth readings, I demo'ed this only a couple of weeks ago on a group training day.

1) Cheaper paint depth gauges are around 10-15% out on reading s always reading higher.

2) when measuring "total" paint depth readings (unless you have positector 200) you can’t actually get "true" reading of the top coat (lacquer coat) depth , this is the only part you can polish safely and MUST not go through the layer , ideally leaving a certain amount / or more importantly only removing a certain amount of clear coat.

A high reading could well be just the original paint layers , then a few layer of high build primer (as its most likely the reason for repaint is repair) is in fact only leaving you with low similar reading as factory coats or even lower.

I would rather wet sand an original car with more constant readings on entire car then one that’s been re painted and the figures are all over the place.

We have had to repaint and correct cars that have been burnt through rubbed through with very high figures fooling the person polishing into false sense of security




kelly

[whoami]

kds keltec said:

whoami said:

Kelly, fantastic work there.

However, it's a complete disgrace that brand new cars are being delivered like this with the customer being told that it's an acceptable paint finish.

Yep agree , done loads of new cars mainly of one Brand made in germany

most of the public dont even care , so still a tiny percent that care and do anything about it.

Kelly

I recognise the bmwrand as I had exactly the same experience as your customer did.

The car was bought for Mrs Whoami who picked up the car when I was abroad on business.

I was appalled at the state of the paint when I saw it on my return.

There then followed an increasingly irritating exchange of views with the dealer principal (DP is such an apt abbreviation for that tt).

His main line of defence was, "yes, it doesn't look great but nobody else has complained".

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[kds keltec]

one customer was told that "if they supply another car it will still have the same quality of paint so what can we do about it"

I do know that some dealers after the customer saying my own car is going to look better than the one in the show room, with the answer "yes i will make sure yours is much better" (which is actually impossible for a single salesman to be able to change the entire paint process at factory)of course the car was rubbish.

I had emails from one KDS customer saying the above , and then me returning email saying impossible to change and WILL be the same as other cars.

The dealer ship actually dropped the car off at the customers house while he was at work , so the wife signed for it job done.

IF you dont accept the car and dont not take it from the showroom then you do have a small chance in the fight

kelly

[kds keltec]

Its not a cost related thing either .

this 300k car


is also not immune to wet sanding marks and poor machine correction and just damm poor paint spraying , yet another example of top quality craftsmen being caught out by wet sanding and machine polishing.

A finished first to soften the blow




now some defects (enjoy)





nice over spray this




Prep marks under the base coats



left over buffer trails and sanding marks





42 microns of top coat



A piece of A4 paper is 100 microns thick





there was not a single panel that was not like this







This took us around 60 hours of very slow careful machine correction alone to fully correct all the mistake made by the classic my compound does not have any filling effect.

Of course i guess some guys could wet sand and correct back in 1-2 days thou

kelly

[whoami]

kds keltec said:

one customer was told that "if they supply another car it will still have the same quality of paint so what can we do about it"


kelly

I got exactly the same line.

[kds keltec]

whoami said:

I got exactly the same line.

There is no solution for them , thats where the problem is.

Its not the dealership or salesman problem who is dealing with sale of car but it is put upon them to deal with it thou.

It was very high up guy that quoted we cant do anything about it.

Kelly

[Vette]

A certain other GerVWman company is pretty poor too! In fact, I see better finishes on the average Skoda. I assume they are produced in different factories?

Cheers
David

[LC843]

Hi Kelly
I am a bit late to this thread but have found it both interesting and informative. It is a pity that Jules lost his cool as I was with him up until that point. However I think he still came over as a genuine operator with a considerable skill.
My question is, on modern paints is it the paint or the clear varnish coat that has the ‘orange peel’. The reason I ask is in the 1960’s and early seventies the paint (cellulose or acrylic) was very thin on the cheaper range of cars (BMC, Ford, Vauxhall) and you could easily polish through the paint to the under coat with the abrasive polishes that were available at that time. The reason we liked to see ‘orange peel’ on a new car was it indicated there was a thickness of paint on the car. Also when the paint had lost its shine it was said to be ‘dead’ and although it would polish up within a week it would lose its shine again. When a car was re-sprayed we liked to see a ‘gun finish’ with a good shine as it was felt at the time it was expensive and not good for the new paint to compound it to get it to shine.
Regards
Bruce

[Jaykaybi]

Holy thread resurrection etc; just seen Kel's done a bit of promo painting and wet sanding which I think is pertinent to this thread. I'm gonna plonk this video and picture here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7vZkKLDP5A&fea...