Had my car Permagarded - Really Impressed
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After reading a previous thread on PH and the article in Evo magazine about Permagard, I had it done and I was amazed by the results. First, they cleaned the car with a crystal solution to get rid of the grime, oxidisation, grease, etc and get it back to its original colour. Then, they applied the Permagard which forms a plastic polymer coating and is more durable and protective than wax, silicon or teflon products.
After it was done, the first thing I noticed was the car has a really glossy shine; you can really see the metallic of the paint and its silky smooth to touch. They even did the alloys and exhaust tips which now also shine like new. The Permagard forms a protective barrier against dirt, UV, acid rain, etc and means that I don’t need to wash or wax the car – just rinse with water and its gleaming again. Likewise, brake dust just rinses off the alloys. They also treated the windscreen so you hardly need to use the wipers when driving in the rain. I dealt with Mike Perry who is extremely helpful and has amazing attention to detail. His contact details are on: www.permagard.info
Pictures don’t really do it justice but click here for some:
http://photos.fotango.com/cgi-bin/vie
(click on any one to enlarge)
>> Edited by barry_j on Friday 4th November 08:20
After it was done, the first thing I noticed was the car has a really glossy shine; you can really see the metallic of the paint and its silky smooth to touch. They even did the alloys and exhaust tips which now also shine like new. The Permagard forms a protective barrier against dirt, UV, acid rain, etc and means that I don’t need to wash or wax the car – just rinse with water and its gleaming again. Likewise, brake dust just rinses off the alloys. They also treated the windscreen so you hardly need to use the wipers when driving in the rain. I dealt with Mike Perry who is extremely helpful and has amazing attention to detail. His contact details are on: www.permagard.info
Pictures don’t really do it justice but click here for some:
http://photos.fotango.com/cgi-bin/vie
(click on any one to enlarge)
>> Edited by barry_j on Friday 4th November 08:20
Barry, I've been considering to do this since the Evo mag write up but I have not been sure. Do they give any guarantees as to your paint. I am worried that 1) it may damage teh paint in the long run and 2) it may not really last as they promise as there are some rumblings that the effects have already faded form the EVO 550.
I did call them last week but I didn't speak to their sales guy so I was not convinced. Also, over the phone I was quoted £170 but on the EVo article I think it said £140. Cna I ask what you paid?
Cheers
Philip
I did call them last week but I didn't speak to their sales guy so I was not convinced. Also, over the phone I was quoted £170 but on the EVo article I think it said £140. Cna I ask what you paid?
Cheers
Philip
Hi Philip, You get a 1yr guarentee and if you wish you can extend it annually by doing a top-up treatment which I beleive is half the price of a full treatment. Costs vary according to what you have done. I had a couple more things done so spent nearer £200 but if it does what it says then still great value in my opinion. Of course, I cant vouch for how long it lasts as I've only had it a couple of weeks but time will tell...
No not really. I spoke to someone who said that this was the case. Apparently, the wwrite up are a few months "in arrears" so they fo the evo done quite a few months before the actual post. Aparently there will be another post later on that will say that it has worn off. It kind of sounded like the report had been written so it will appear soon. I don't really have any more thatn that. Based on that conversation I have been delaying getting it done and canvassing opinions.
I had mine done on Saturday, and asked Mike about Harry Metcalf's latest feedback. Apparently there will be a positive follow up piece next month or the month after.
The bottom line is that John Barker (also from Evo) was on the phone when I was there having the Capri booked in - you can't tell me he'd bother if Harry's 550 had already worn off.
Roger
ps I was very pleased with the outcome on mine - but it took them several washes to get the remnants of the Meguiars off!!
The bottom line is that John Barker (also from Evo) was on the phone when I was there having the Capri booked in - you can't tell me he'd bother if Harry's 550 had already worn off.
Roger
ps I was very pleased with the outcome on mine - but it took them several washes to get the remnants of the Meguiars off!!
355fiorano said:
No not really. I spoke to someone who said that this was the case.
I think you'll find that there are a few people that have a vested interest in spreading negative rumours about Permagard such as people that make a living from selling traditional wax products. I think comments like the one made by ferrari355gtb above are pointless unless they are substantiated. rogerb's comment about John Baker says it all.
PS: rogerb - does this mean anything to you "Money is like an arm or a leg, use it or lose it"
barry_j said:
No not really. I spoke to someone who said that this was the case.
I think you'll find that there are a few people that have a vested interest in spreading negative rumours about Permagard such as people that make a living from selling traditional wax products. I think comments like the one made by ferrari355gtb above are pointless unless they are substantiated. rogerb's comment about John Baker says it all.
PS: rogerb - does this mean anything to you "Money is like an arm or a leg, use it or lose it"
Barry,
from my perspective roberts comments or anyone elses who I do not personally know for that matter are unsubstantiated. Anyone can claim anything the like. That is exactly why I am asking around so that I can get a balaced view. The other comments are from another board, much like this. I am also not naive enough to not realise where vested interests lie and when I have had comments coming from these sources I do account for the fact.
What I found interesting from barrys quote is the fact that they found it hard in taking the old polish off. Funilly enough I again heard that permagard is extremely difficult to take off if you wanted to get rid of it!
From my end I am appreciative of any input that helps in my decision.
Hi fiorano,
if you or anyone else on PH would like advice regarding any product or procedure, please email me through my website. I have over 12 years experience in valeting, car detailing, paintwork correction and all the various protective products under the sun.... I have tried and tested everything throughout the years...
Kind Regards
Paul
www.miracledetail.co.uk/
if you or anyone else on PH would like advice regarding any product or procedure, please email me through my website. I have over 12 years experience in valeting, car detailing, paintwork correction and all the various protective products under the sun.... I have tried and tested everything throughout the years...
Kind Regards
Paul
www.miracledetail.co.uk/
ferrari355gtb said:
It's worn off the 550 in a the space of a couple of months.
Stick to Zymol.
I would believe that, there is nothing super special about these products.
They are simply just a body cleanse/polish and a sealant (not wax). There are many longer lasting products on the market but most need a "top up" every few months.
A good example is Klasse, it doesn't break the bank but it will bring your car up better than most competitors.
John.
Detailcity said:
there is nothing super special about these products.
As I said before... barry_j said:
there are a few people that have a vested interest in spreading negative rumours about Permagard such as people that make a living from selling traditional wax products.
On the other hand I have no vested interest in Permagard - just a satisfied customer. When the internal combustion engine was invented, I'm sure there were some Horse & Cart salesmen that said there is nothing super special about these products...
>> Edited by barry_j on Monday 21st November 16:55
Well im only saying what I have came across.
I have to first state I am not a franchise and do not promote just one product range.
I just agreed I could believe what happened as it is just a sealant/shampoo and polish packaged in small bottles and re-sold.
I have tested it personally on my own car which is very well cared for as you can imagine and it did not provide the "look" I was after nor did it last like it says.
There are many reputable companies selling sealants, waxes, polishes etc and most are better and will last just as long if cared for with the same procedure.
And just to add a spanner lol, you cannot remove oxidisation by washing alone I am aware finish kare (US) do a product which removes tar and other bonded surface contaminents but a simple wash will not remove the oxidisation.
Is there any chance of larger pictures than the ones that are posted? As the finish is very difficult to evaluate being that size.
>> Edited by JJ on Monday 21st November 17:12
>> Edited by JJ on Monday 21st November 17:14
I have to first state I am not a franchise and do not promote just one product range.
I just agreed I could believe what happened as it is just a sealant/shampoo and polish packaged in small bottles and re-sold.
I have tested it personally on my own car which is very well cared for as you can imagine and it did not provide the "look" I was after nor did it last like it says.
There are many reputable companies selling sealants, waxes, polishes etc and most are better and will last just as long if cared for with the same procedure.
And just to add a spanner lol, you cannot remove oxidisation by washing alone I am aware finish kare (US) do a product which removes tar and other bonded surface contaminents but a simple wash will not remove the oxidisation.
Is there any chance of larger pictures than the ones that are posted? As the finish is very difficult to evaluate being that size.
>> Edited by JJ on Monday 21st November 17:12
>> Edited by JJ on Monday 21st November 17:14
JJ said:
it is just a sealant/shampoo and polish packaged in small bottles and re-sold. I have tested it personally...
Are sure you are talking about Permagard? - it is not available as a DIY application. Its not one of these teflon/silicon sealants in a bottle. Its a new product which is a plastic polymer and needs to be professionally applied. Once done, the car does not need washing or waxing - just a hose down with water and its shining again. You only need to get it reapplied once a year if you want to extend the warranty. Of course, I've only had it a few weeks so I'm more than happy to admit I'm wrong further down the line if I am but at the moment, it does exactly what is claimed on their website.
barry_j said:
it is just a sealant/shampoo and polish packaged in small bottles and re-sold. I have tested it personally...
Are sure you are talking about Permagard? - it is not available as a DIY application. Its not one of these teflon/silicon sealants in a bottle. Its a new product which is a plastic polymer and needs to be professionally applied. Once done, the car does not need washing or waxing - just a hose down with water and its shining again. You only need to get it reapplied once a year if you want to extend the warranty. Of course, I've only had it a few weeks so I'm more than happy to admit I'm wrong further down the line if I am but at the moment, it does exactly what is claimed on their website.
I understand where you are coming from, I am a professional and have completed quite a few car's I was even contracted for some mag work too. I have got permagaurd it is the correct stuff. I am aware that it is neither teflon (which does not work due to teflon needing some form of heat application to be a true teflon coating) or silicone.
I have came across many of these products in my time, even 3 weeks down the line just rinsing it off with water is good, but I doubt it will last a year. You may want to try de-ionised water to take any harsh elements from your water to ensure that your protection does last as long as possible.
Just for comparison take a look at the finish you get from miracle details, I am avoiding mentioning my company due to not paying for advertising whereas Miracle does.
Try this website for some great tips too, its basically an American site where professional and hobby detailers show their work off and chat about all things cleaning.
www.autopia.org
>> Edited by JJ on Monday 21st November 17:30
JJ said:
Is there any chance of larger pictures than the ones that are posted? As the finish is very difficult to evaluate being that size.
Try here:
www.permagard.info/adobe/Cars%20Portfolio%20Pictures%200304.pdf
barry_j said:
Is there any chance of larger pictures than the ones that are posted? As the finish is very difficult to evaluate being that size.
Try here:
www.permagard.info/adobe/Cars%20Portfolio%20Pictures%200304.pdf
I find it hard to believe your car had oxidisation after only a year, especially on silver since that is very rare. I do hope you have a look about the website I showed you and find it useful, these products crop up all the time just like the ones on "shop tv" programmes, they are good for a while but never live up to their name.
Your car is an excellent example of automotive engineering and should be cared for in a certain manner.
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