Ugly but Cool

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odyssey2200

18,650 posts

208 months

Tuesday 16th October 2012
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LordBretSinclair said:
Does an English "cousin" also count? hehe

I'll see your Ford Thames and raise you the Morris J2

LuS1fer

41,086 posts

244 months

Tuesday 16th October 2012
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The Morris was cute and cuddly, like a Beetle.

230TE

2,506 posts

185 months

Tuesday 16th October 2012
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A suggestion from Mrs 230TE - Fiat Multipla (the original one):


CR6ZZ

1,313 posts

144 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Another Allard - The J2X.


Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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esso said:
nicanary said:
KrazyIvan said:
Evo V

Never gonna win an beauty contests but, still cool cars...even more so no that the chavs cant afford the insurance any more.

Doesn't stop the chavs from driving them. I can never fathom out how they get the insurance, or indeed whether the car is actually insured.
How can you say that is Ugly.....gotta be one of the coolest cars on the planet!
it is very cool, its also bloody ugly which is kinda the point of this thread


Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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LuS1fer said:
The later Citroen Ami 8 with the GS engine and fastback rather than the reverse cant rear window. One of the original hatches and some crazy Citroen suspension and an 1015cc air-cooled flat four.



It stands as a beacon from when Citroen had cool ideas and were unique and not faintly quirky Peugeots.

The 2CV and Renault 4 and Citroen Visa also tend to fall into this category.




Edited by LuS1fer on Tuesday 16th October 11:36
no no NO NO!!!

there all ugly and deeply uncool and undesirable

but especially the 2CV which has never been cool with anyone other than hippy sociology teachers and people that think tofu is food!!!! They need to be crushed (with their hippy owners inside hopefully)



LuS1fer

41,086 posts

244 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
no no NO NO!!!

there all ugly and deeply uncool and undesirable

but especially the 2CV which has never been cool with anyone other than hippy sociology teachers and people that think tofu is food!!!! They need to be crushed (with their hippy owners inside hopefully)
Ah, you are, as you Eengleesh say, a philistine. Zey 'ave zat je ne sais quoi and a joie de vivre and all you a besoin de add est une fille dans a stripey top avec deux bouncy puppies and ze beret for lots of ze oomping in ze back on zer soft suspension. Ca alors.

dartissimus

Original Poster:

938 posts

173 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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no no NO NO!!!

there all ugly and deeply uncool and undesirable

but especially the 2CV which has never been cool with anyone other than hippy sociology teachers and people that think tofu is food!!!! They need to be crushed (with their hippy owners inside hopefully)



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You're missing the point, Cool was the wrong word to use, We're not talking cool as in Top Gear Cool Wall.
We're talking "get all the proportions so wrong and ugly that it becomes wacky and unusual and therefore desirable",
The R4 and 2CV both fail, not because of the stereotypes, but because the R4 doesn't look wacky enough and the 2CV is too familiar.
Quirky design is good and so is rarity, performance helps, but is not essential.


srob

11,566 posts

237 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
esso said:
nicanary said:
KrazyIvan said:
Evo V

Never gonna win an beauty contests but, still cool cars...even more so no that the chavs cant afford the insurance any more.

Doesn't stop the chavs from driving them. I can never fathom out how they get the insurance, or indeed whether the car is actually insured.
How can you say that is Ugly.....gotta be one of the coolest cars on the planet!
it is very cool, its also bloody ugly which is kinda the point of this thread
Dave Hedgehog said:
no no NO NO!!!

there all ugly and deeply uncool and undesirable

but especially the 2CV which has never been cool with anyone other than hippy sociology teachers and people that think tofu is food!!!! They need to be crushed (with their hippy owners inside hopefully)
Your two posts have clearly shown that we all have different ideas of cool hehe

Evo's aren't cool, 2CVs are cool biggrin

coppice

8,562 posts

143 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
no no NO NO!!!

there all ugly and deeply uncool and undesirable

but especially the 2CV which has never been cool with anyone other than hippy sociology teachers and people that think tofu is food!!!! They need to be crushed (with their hippy owners inside hopefully)
If you want to rely on lazy stereotypes for your views that's fine but in the world where I live I can say that the 2CV is an absolute blast to drive- great cornering and incredible ability to handle snow and mud. I had mine for 40k miles and -believe it- there are few more satisfying achievments in driving than pulling off a well timed and slipstream aided overtake in a deux chevaux.I remember a totally flat out 300 mile trip to Scotland on A and B roads as a particular delight in late 70s.

I have owned a lot of cars over the years but the only ones which were as much or more fun than the Citroen were an Alfasud Ti , a Clan Crusader and my current R400 Caterham. Park the prejudice and drive a Citroen and if you have petrol in your veins you should be smitten.If not you are beyond hope and deserve to drive a Peugeot 307 for life.....

ps I am a stranger to Tofu

mph

2,316 posts

281 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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srob said:
Your two posts have clearly shown that we all have different ideas of cool hehe

Evo's aren't cool, 2CVs are cool biggrin
+1


nicanary

9,751 posts

145 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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odyssey2200 said:
I'll see your Ford Thames and raise you the Morris J2
These "forward control" 50s/60s vans are a bugbear of mine. As a child our holidays were spent touring the UK with motorhome conversions of these things. They were mostly powered by petrol engines from the makers' car range, and because of their weight they were usually hopelessly underpowered. My poor old dad had to lug these dire heaps up things like Porlock and Hardknott Pass.

The Thames had the Consul engine, the J2 was I think the B-Series. We had Commers which had a Minx unit, but the worst ones were the VW with a massive 1200cc and the Atlas which had a Herald motor. Ye Gods! Funnily enough, the most poke seemed to come from a Bedford CA, which I suppose was powered by a Victor engine.

Standard Atlas






Commer


LuS1fer

41,086 posts

244 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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The Bedford CA used the slant four Victor/Viva engine in 1600 and 2000 and later, presumably, 1800 and maybe even 2300 form.

The original transits only had a 1600 V4.

nicanary

9,751 posts

145 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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LuS1fer said:
The Bedford CA used the slant four Victor/Viva engine in 1600 and 2000 and later, presumably, 1800 and maybe even 2300 form.

The original transits only had a 1600 V4.
I'd have thought that was the CF. The CA had a 1508cc motor, which would have been standard fare in the mid-range Vauxhall cars. Top speed 60mph, 3-speed column change. Real fun on the motorway.

(BTW referring to the controversy regarding the 2CV - just go to France and watch them on the Autoroutes, 5 adults, luggage packed to the roof, and on the roof, screaming along flat-out for hour after hour. The first time I saw it I was astounded, but it's pretty commonplace. Anyone remember that documentary series "A place in France" with that tt Nigel Farrell and his Sikh mate Nippi? Poor Nippi wouldn't believe Nigel about the 2CV's capabilities until he had to drive it back to the UK laden with imported cheese and wine - Nigel told him to get on the Autoroute and just put his foot to the floor. During a stop for fuel he phoned Nigel cackling with laughter and brimming over with new-found enthusiasm for the little car. They're cool to me.)

LuS1fer

41,086 posts

244 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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nicanary said:
That was the CF not the CA, you idiot wink
Whoops, quite right.

slomax

6,646 posts

191 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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mph said:
srob said:
Your two posts have clearly shown that we all have different ideas of cool hehe

Evo's aren't cool, 2CVs are cool biggrin
+1
+2

I LOVE 2CV's.

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AMv8 dreamer

772 posts

155 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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I`ve just been though 5 pages and havn`t seen a landy so here`s a particularly ugly one but cool none the less.

nicanary

9,751 posts

145 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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All this talk of 2cvs and Landies, I remembered the 2CV fire engine used in forest fires, easy to drive up and down narrow firebreaks. Sorry it's a model, couldn't find a pic of the real thing. Cool, and really interesting.

v8250

2,724 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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LuS1fer said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
no no NO NO!!!

there all ugly and deeply uncool and undesirable

but especially the 2CV which has never been cool with anyone other than hippy sociology teachers and people that think tofu is food!!!! They need to be crushed (with their hippy owners inside hopefully)
Ah, you are, as you Eengleesh say, a philistine. Zey 'ave zat je ne sais quoi and a joie de vivre and all you a besoin de add est une fille dans a stripey top avec deux bouncy puppies and ze beret for lots of ze oomping in ze back on zer soft suspension. Ca alors.
Well said, LuS1fer thumbup

spikeyDave, you've clearly never driven a 2CV. Strongly recommend you read Alan Clark's book Backfire, then get out there and buy a good 2CV. You'll be amazed at what they can do and above all how they manage to do this in so much style...elles ont tres a la mode. They are not sporting flying-machines in any way but they will take you to places in all weathers where other vehicles dare not venture. The added bonus being they have an amazing ability of being super fanny-magnets...have no idea why, they just are smokin [no offense girls]

Vivre la difference, vivre la 2CV...

Edited by v8250 on Wednesday 17th October 19:50

TonyBrooks

83 posts

184 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Has to be a Saab Sonett - definetly a case of the'eye of the beholder!' Imported from Kentucky and rebuilt over a winter.