Classics dwarfed by moderns
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ajprice said:
a lovely picture, and I must say, the 205 gti still looks perfect, great shape, nice compact, light.
GTRene said:
ajprice said:
a lovely picture, and I must say, the 205 gti still looks perfect, great shape, nice compact, light.Makes me feel not so bad about the weight I have put on in 20 years!
Keep it stiff said:
GTRene said:
ajprice said:
a lovely picture, and I must say, the 205 gti still looks perfect, great shape, nice compact, light.Makes me feel not so bad about the weight I have put on in 20 years!
austin said:
rene7 said:
keep it stiff
yes today's cars are a joke - WHY so heavy?- by the way the pug is positively fat compared to my 1970 lotus at 590 kg
Which is heavy compared to my 1930 Austin 7 at 430kg yes today's cars are a joke - WHY so heavy?- by the way the pug is positively fat compared to my 1970 lotus at 590 kg
Later K-series Superlight Sevens were over 100 kilos lighter than Rene's too, so if I were him I'd be asking what went wrong in the early '70's to make his model so lardy!
DoubleD said:
Keep it stiff said:
GTRene said:
ajprice said:
a lovely picture, and I must say, the 205 gti still looks perfect, great shape, nice compact, light.Makes me feel not so bad about the weight I have put on in 20 years!
It does make you wonder, why has the motor industry not applied itself to weight saving with same zeal that they have demonstrated to fuel efficiency?
Keep it stiff said:
DoubleD said:
Keep it stiff said:
GTRene said:
ajprice said:
a lovely picture, and I must say, the 205 gti still looks perfect, great shape, nice compact, light.Makes me feel not so bad about the weight I have put on in 20 years!
It does make you wonder, why has the motor industry not applied itself to weight saving with same zeal that they have demonstrated to fuel efficiency?
DoubleD said:
They have but weight saving is extremely expensive, to be honest it's amazing that cars don't weigh more given all the safety, tech and luxury items that are fitted that weren't before.
This. If you combined the weight of all the stuff we couldn't possibly live without, it would probably be more than a 60s Lotus 7. Air con, sat nav, airbags, electric everything and enough safety gubbins to sink a battleship: must weigh a few hundred kg.
GTRene said:
ajprice said:
a lovely picture, and I must say, the 205 gti still looks perfect, great shape, nice compact, light.
Not really a fair comparison. The 205 GTi was 910kg but the equivalent of the GR Yaris would be the homologation special T16, which weighed 1,300kg by the same measure and made 197bhp from its mid-mounted turbocharged 1.8. So actually weighed about the same, despite being smaller, having no rear seats, and none of the myriad safety features modern cars are burdened with.
I’d absolutely love a T16, gorgeous thing, preferably in Group B Evo II spec with 650bhp.
I like that photo, my first and next car together, although mine were/will be both white.
I’d absolutely love a T16, gorgeous thing, preferably in Group B Evo II spec with 650bhp.
I like that photo, my first and next car together, although mine were/will be both white.
rene7 said:
keep it stiff
yes today's cars are a joke - WHY so heavy?- by the way the pug is positively fat compared to my 1970 lotus at 590 kg
Because apart from the luxury stuff (which is what, 200kg for heating and ventilation plus ICE?), they are massively stronger structures (just take look at the A and B pillars and ask yourself which you'd rather roll over in), much bigger (because that's what the market demands). yes today's cars are a joke - WHY so heavy?- by the way the pug is positively fat compared to my 1970 lotus at 590 kg
They're also cheaper, more economical and more reliable, so it's not all downsides.
shoestring7 said:
rene7 said:
keep it stiff
yes today's cars are a joke - WHY so heavy?- by the way the pug is positively fat compared to my 1970 lotus at 590 kg
Because apart from the luxury stuff (which is what, 200kg for heating and ventilation plus ICE?), they are massively stronger structures (just take look at the A and B pillars and ask yourself which you'd rather roll over in), much bigger (because that's what the market demands). yes today's cars are a joke - WHY so heavy?- by the way the pug is positively fat compared to my 1970 lotus at 590 kg
They're also cheaper, more economical and more reliable, so it's not all downsides.
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