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Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV Bertone

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dinkel

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24,354 posts

180 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Classics dwarfed by moderns:

20 years between the 1750 GTV and the AWD 155 Q4. The 159 is even bigger.


I felt at home in the Bertone. It is a small car but for two is's just perfect. Performance is enough to put a million smiles on your face: 0-60 in 9 secs and 190 kmh. We respected the speedlimits. Soundbyte is 60s DOHC twin double Weber Bologna style: oh yes sir.


This 1971 car has the closed bonnet which I prefer. The stepnose cars are the ones with the higher pricetag. Expect 20K for a sorted car.


Early in the morning and at speed, shot from the Q4. The 1750 is every inch a mini-GT. It oozes a million pounds of class and the road presence is phenomenal.


Owners David and Lut having fun here. David was so kind to share his Bertone, Q4 and Spider with 4 friends for a day trip to and fro Holland. And back to Belgium.


Tires uprated from 155 to 185: no PAS so tight turns are challenging! The beautifull styled Bertone is at home at swoopy roads and highways. Roundabouts . . . errr, easy does it.

Next: rain!

elephantstone

2,176 posts

79 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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WANT!

sunbeam alpine

3,522 posts

110 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Loving these Albert.

You're really making the cars look good!

smile

P.S. I found out what went wrong with the radios - we can try again this weekend.

dinkel

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24,354 posts

180 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Haha! More pictures to come David . . . and followed by a topic about that wonderfull allrounder, the superb Aerodinamica Spider.

The Bertone in good company: 215 brake AWD Q4 (basically a Lancia Delta Integrale with a 155 body) and the 2 litre Aerodinamica Spider.

velocemitch

2,326 posts

142 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Lovely Car the 1750, 20k (euros?) is a bit shy now though at least in the UK it is, getting nearer to £25000 for a really good one and 30k for minter.
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jackpe

387 posts

86 months

Friday 2nd May 2014
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love it, had a 1750 around 15 years ago. Was a South African import and therefore solid. Spent loads on it then sold it..

Now have an earlier Alfa..

dinkel

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24,354 posts

180 months

Wednesday 7th May 2014
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Nice, how they compare to the 70s models?

On with the show:

"Come back for an extra bonus." The bonus is to drive this thing of beauty!


There isn't an angle to find where the Bertone doesn't look the absolute dogs bits.


Famous Biscione, the emblem of the House of Visconti, rulers of Milan in the 14th century.


On the left is a red cross on a white field, the emblem of Milan, which designer Romano Cattaneo had seen on the door of the Castello Sforzesco.


Fellow Alfisti Els & Pieter had the time of their lives.

dinkel

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24,354 posts

180 months

Wednesday 7th May 2014
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The slim pillars provide for a spacious feel when inside and with an incredible surround view.


As a kid - in the mid 70s - I lusted after 3 cars: the TR6, the Jaguar XJ6 and the GTV Bertone Alfa.


Classic low down torque and hig end power: the dohc 1.8 is every inch an Italian gem.


It's time to go!


Happy faces day.

Cheib

13,227 posts

97 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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I absolutely love these Alfa's, they just look so right! I have serious amounts of WANT and spend too much time looking at pictures of them on the web. Found a couple of people that post pictures of them relatively regularly on Twitter which helps deal with my addiction.

What's the difference in the driveability of the step nose cars and the later closed bonnet ? Any good resources for reading up on them ?

Currently living in London with on street parking but am probably moving out of London next summer at which point I will have a garage.....this is what I want to put in it!

dinkel

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24,354 posts

180 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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Cheib: I dunno about your experience with older cars . . . but 40+ years Alfas are pretty much worked on and should be far from the state as they left Milano. Every car has its own character to match any drivers ambition.

It so much depends on the tires and suspension setup, width of tires, state of the mechanics in general, tune of the engine.

Davids 'machinas' are not garage queens but sure drivers cars. They are picked and bought to GO. And so they do.

The GTV was aquired 5 weeks before this run and there's a lot of work to be done to get it proper. Already it is a very fine car and a great basis to make it a superb car. It helps that David knows what he's doing, knows his DIY and has the specialists for the specialists jobbies. The GTV will be a gem in the near future.

I met the Spider 3 years ago and driving it last week: it has transformed into a wonderfull mini GT and there are no wishes on my list to improve it, other than maybe a few cosmetic ones. But hey, who cares for aesthetics eh?

I believe Alfaholics are the guys to talk to when it comes to 60s Alfas.

velocemitch

2,326 posts

142 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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Cheib, the step front cars and the later flush bonnet cars pretty much share the same chassis and running gear, there were just a few subtle alterations over the years (1963 - 1977), pretty much all of them are interchangeable anyway and many step fronts have parts from the later cars on them now (Hubs and bigger Brakes for instance). Same goes for Engines a 2000 engine will fit in the Engine bay of a step front and many have them.

As Dinkel says the driving experience will be down to how they are set up and which parts are used, not which shape the body is.

Hope that helps.smile

Cheib

13,227 posts

97 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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That's great thanks....I'd certainly be thinking of some suitable upgrades in terms of brakes and suspension I think. Nothing too outrageous but just enough to help it go round corners a bit better!

dinkel

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24,354 posts

180 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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PAS, good tires (165-185) and a sports steering wheel and you'd be good to go. The setup of Davids is good enough to do a swoopy road special. Brakes: it's discs all round!

dinkel

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24,354 posts

180 months

Tuesday 13th May 2014
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600 kms in a 70s Alfa tiring? Not really. The seats are comfy, the cabin offers space and the intoxicating sound of the Weber-fed four never gets boring over drone-ish.


Surround sight: no blind corners and excellent view all round.


If there ever was a good looking Alfa it's gotta be this one: from 1963–1977 44,269 1750 GTVs (105/115 Series Coupe: 224.000 total) were produced.


Introduced in 1968 the 1750 GTV combined all the 105/115 Series Coupe good features. The similar 1.3 and 1.6 models were called Junior.


Both Spider (Duetto, Codatronca, this is the Aerodinamica) and GTV basically share the same mechanics. The GTV is more sporty and the Spider more relaxing to drive. In 1971 the 2 litre - for both cars - was introduced and came with Spica fuel injection. These cars were for the US market only. The fuel injection met US emmision regulations and added a more suitable bottom end in the rev range. For Europe the cars were offered with the big carbs. The Aerodinamica Spider comes with the EFI and I must say . . . it is easier to drive and is a wonderfull combination with the excellent - but manly - 5 speed.


Lottery . . . We'd be happy if this were our dreamgarage.

Maybe also check the Q4 topic: http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...

dinkel

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24,354 posts

180 months

Tuesday 13th May 2014
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A worthwhile read about 'modifying' the Bertone:

http://www.alfaholics.com/2010/07/retro-cars-modif...

So, a standard 75 Twin Spark 2 litre and you're done. Find a written off 75 and pick off the bits to use.

Sounds like a jobbie buth as Alfaholics say: it's more or less plug and play.

Just my 2 pence.

RicksAlfas

8,043 posts

166 months

Tuesday 13th May 2014
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I didn't realise every Alfa driver should have trousers to match his car.
Could be a challenge for me, but Mitch should be ok in some cricket whites.
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dinkel

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24,354 posts

180 months

Tuesday 13th May 2014
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I have only few options: 1 red, 4 blue and one green . . .



Happy Davids' isn't mustard yellow!

sunbeam alpine

3,522 posts

110 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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dinkel said:
I have only few options: 1 red, 4 blue and one green . . .



Happy Davids' isn't mustard yellow!
You'd need to borrow Garlick's trousers to drive that!

Lovely colour though!

(I'd really like a mustard/orange car - then I can run a mobile traffic light - one of the Alfa's (red), the orange one, and the Sunbeam (BRG)!)

dinkel

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dinkel

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Thursday 22nd May 2014
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