Bugatti Owners Club - DVLA - Crackdown on old cars

[anonymous-user]

[redacted]

[dig123]

Hi it has been discussed on the Austin Seven Forum, link below.

http://pub25.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?us...

[P50]

this is epic bad news for the vscc scene.

[P50]

this is epic bad news for the vscc scene.

[a8hex]

Follow through from that link to

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-...

It's weird that you get more points for the original gearbox than engine. I often see ads for "matching number" XKs "with desirable 5 speed conversion"

I guess this was what many predicted when they started talking about not requiring MOTs for classic cars.

[iva cosworth]

What a pile of crap.

Haven't the DVLA got anything better to do ?

[The Beet]

iva cosworth said:

What a pile of crap.

Haven't the DVLA got anything better to do ?

I agree.

[kev b]

How on earth are they going to find the resources to carry this out, they can't even decide whether an old shed of a Corsa I bought for my son to learn in is SORNed or not.

I keep receiving letters telling me to SORN or tax it but when I try to SORN it they say it is not possible as it is not registered to me, despite them sending me a reg doc in my name over a month ago. When I check on DVLAs website they say it is already SORNed, I expect a fine to pop through the door any day.

Are they turning their attention to classics to waste the extra money they have extracted through changing the rules on transferring the RFL to a new owner?

[SirTK]

The Beet said:

iva cosworth said:

What a pile of crap.

Haven't the DVLA got anything better to do ?

I agree.

They are simply complying with the demands of our European masters.

Incidentally, there's a referendum coming up in a couple of years - just remember that if you vote to stay in, you are voting in favour of this crap and all future crap like it.

I'm completely impartial of course............

[vixen1700]

Your vehicle must have 8 or more points from the table below if you want to keep the original registration number. 5 of these points must come from having the original or new and unmodified chassis, monocoque bodyshell or frame.


Part

Points


Chassis, monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) or frame - original or new and unmodified (direct from manufacturer) 5
Suspension (front and back) - original 2
Axles (both) - original 2
Transmission - original 2
Steering assembly - original 2
Engine - original 1

So mine would get 5 points for the original body, the chassis has been restored not modified.

Suspension, been upgrade so not original.

Yep, got the axles. - Fine deux points.

Transmission, yes as far as I know - Another two points.

Steering assembly - Renewed but original from a Triumph.

Engine, yes the right Ford 1700cc engine but not original to the car from 1972.



I guess my old TVR gets through, but what about the re-shelled MGBs with Goldseal engines and parts from Rimmer Bros?

What a load of old bks.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Where would it leave a back dated 911 without its original engine for instance?

[nonsense]

This has long been under discussion in the landrover world. "Original" also allows a new like for like (e.g. Galvanised chassis on a series landrover is ok) but do not try and inform the dvla of this because they just can't deal with it...

[nonsense]

Oh, having read further I appear to be wrong and all hell is going to break loose!

[nonsense]

Oh, having read further I appear to be wrong and all hell is going to break loose!

[Willhire89]

nonsense said:

do not try and inform the dvla of this because they just can't deal with it...

I think they now intend to......

Starting with the 'new' GP Bugatti's was inevitable as the lowest fruit.

The 'tax exempt' LR's will be another focus as well as Cobras and Jaguar C/D's

[v8250]

SirTK said:

They are simply complying with the demands of our European masters.

Incidentally, there's a referendum coming up in a couple of years - just remember that if you vote to stay in, you are voting in favour of this crap and all future crap like it.

This. I trust my fellow PH'ers are aware of the draconian changes that classic car owners in France, Germany, Holland and Switzerland have had to swallow over the past years. If UK Govt and DVLA really push these regulations through life will become punitively difficult for many, many owners...and not just the upgraded competition and kit cars.

The Heritage Shell discussion is an interesting one...but what about the 1000's of classic vehicles that have upgraded to coil over shocks? Have improved their engines...1800cc to 1860/1950cc? X-flow heads from the original siamese port heads? Converted SU's to Webers? Gearbox upgrade kits from 4speed/4speed OD to 5speed LT77/R380, Ford Type9, T5 and ZF units? Upgraded rear suspension from live axle to IRS c/o Hoyle or Jaguar IRS? Even a modest 5bar link from Frontline?

It's about time classic/historic car owners and supporters give a VERY firm fk OFF to UK Govt and the DVLA. They need to understand the exhaustive damage to industry that's inflicted by their eternal meddling. And, they urgently need reminding they are public servants. They're here to serve, NOT dictate.

[Willhire89]

v8250 said:

VERY firm fk OFF to UK Govt and the DVLA.

Just to be clear - do you condone the registration (with historic status) of brand new 'pur sang' 35B's?

Unfortunately certain Clubs and individuals in the business of assisting registration have made this happen.

[Olivera]

v8250 said:

This. I trust my fellow PH'ers are aware of the draconian changes that classic car owners in France, Germany, Holland and Switzerland have had to swallow over the past years.

Please elaborate.

[SirTK]

Olivera said:

v8250 said:

This. I trust my fellow PH'ers are aware of the draconian changes that classic car owners in France, Germany, Holland and Switzerland have had to swallow over the past years.

Please elaborate.

I'll elaborate by cut 'n pasting from the Department for Transport website;

"What’s changed?

In Great Britain all vehicles manufactured before 1960 are exempt from regular road-worthiness testing. A new EU Directive changes the rules around this. The new rules allow member states to exempt vehicles from testing if they:

are at least 30 years old
haven’t had substantial changes made to them
This means that, if we wish to continue to exempt classic vehicles from regular testing, we’ll need to update UK law to reflect EU law".

unquote

In other words, we have to do what Europe tells us to do.

Unless we vote to leave, and have common sense restored to us.

If not, the DVLA have to continue to act like automatons and do as they are told by some European people that we didn't get to elect.

You choose. And remember - it's not just about some old cars.......

[Willhire89]

SirTK said:

EU stuff

I'll ask you too then - do you condone the registration (with historic status) of brand new 'pur sang' 35B's?