Holland Coachcraft body of Scotland

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sim16v

2,177 posts

201 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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Wow, Choppy, great, and welcome to the forum!

For a start, do you have any old photos you could post up?

I'm sure the people chasing info would be interested in chassis used and how many made as well.


Choppy135

7 posts

58 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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I'll have to dig out the family tree later on and try and decided the info as it's written into the family tree so not how you'd normally document it

Choppy135

7 posts

58 months

Monday 17th June 2019
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And as to exact details I may not be able to help to much with it's very vague and still took decades to be put together by family members as was an entire family tree rather than just Holland coach building

Perseverant

439 posts

111 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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Amazing what turns up on this site! The Dinky van is pretty rare, but there was also a bus the same shape, made pre war and reissued post war.

lowdrag

12,892 posts

213 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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The grey matter palls, but I remember vaguely an article on these some years ago, and the only magazines I took then were C&SC and Octane. I am not sure if one still exists, but on the subject of Commer then this must be the most valuable and well-known of them all.


hidetheelephants

24,352 posts

193 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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Choppy135 said:
High what do you want to know iv got alot of original designs and info as my great great grandfather owned the company
The original designs would be of interest to many I'm sure, the article in Heritage Commercial a few years ago was quite light on information about the vehicles; the scratchbuild model fraternity would be after building copies even if there's no-one with deep enough pockets keen to do a full size reproduction.

Glasgowrob

3,245 posts

121 months

wobblyweb

136 posts

229 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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That article says they relocated to Gateshead, does anyone have that address.
I will check out if the factory still exists.

hidetheelephants

24,352 posts

193 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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wobblyweb said:
That article says they relocated to Gateshead, does anyone have that address.
I will check out if the factory still exists.
Princes Way, Team Valley Estate, Gateshead.



Reportedly the factory was later occupied by Smiths Electric Vehicles/Northern Coach Builders.

hidetheelephants

24,352 posts

193 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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Newcastle Evening Chronicle 17/4/12

Ray Marshall said:
Demise of a World Leader

IT is still a Second World War mystery, why a factory producing vehicles to world beating designs was forced to close in Gateshead because of Government policy with the loss of many jobs.

Holland Coachcraft was formed in the Govan area of Glasgow in 1931 by William Hawthorn Holland, a man years ahead of his time.

The firm soon gained a reputation for unique and specialised vehicle designs.

By 1933, Holland decided to close his Govan factory to concentrate on design.

Offices were set up in Glasgow, Manchester and London whilst vehicle construction was undertaken by a number of licensed coach-building companies in Scotland and England.

The high point came at the Commercial Vehicle Motor Show at London's Olympia in 1933 when their latest model took the show by storm and became known as The Sensation of Olympia.

Its streamlined shape and advanced features were years ahead of anything seen in Europe or the USA.

Orders flooded in, with inquiries from Italy, Spain and the Dominions.

By this time designs also existed for both single and double-decker buses and a long-distance delivery van with sleeping accommodation for the driver.

The motor car market was also taking notice of Holland''s streamlined Art-Deco style, and by 1935 Meccano Ltd had a model of one of his vans in their Dinky Toy range. …
Any Geordies fancy a trip to the library to scan the rest of the article?

nicanary

9,795 posts

146 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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If anyone's researching Holland coachwork, I'd like to know if this is their work. It could be a promotional vehicle, or even maybe an apprentice piece. The trade plate is for Croydon, so it seems unlikely, and the art-deco style is rather generic, but all the same it screams Holland.


hidetheelephants

24,352 posts

193 months

Tuesday 18th June 2019
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They started out licencing their designs to 3rd party coachbuilders, so it might well be a product of one of those.

Choppy135

7 posts

58 months

Monday 22nd June 2020
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Unfortunately the son of William hawthorn jnr passed and was the one who was compiling the family tree with all the information (my great uncle)
Here is the text so far,youl have to understand this was constructed as a family tree and not just for the Holland company

Choppy135

7 posts

58 months

Monday 22nd June 2020
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the man himself

Choppy135

7 posts

58 months

Monday 22nd June 2020
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the factory in gateshead

Choppy135

7 posts

58 months

Monday 22nd June 2020
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the children it refers to are granny and great uncle Ian who put this together

hidetheelephants

24,352 posts

193 months

Monday 22nd June 2020
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Interesting stuff, thanks for posting.

nicanary said:
If anyone's researching Holland coachwork, I'd like to know if this is their work. It could be a promotional vehicle, or even maybe an apprentice piece. The trade plate is for Croydon, so it seems unlikely, and the art-deco style is rather generic, but all the same it screams Holland.

I can find evidence of several Croydon-based coachbuilders.

Gurney Nutting who are famed for their cooperation with Rolls Royce.
Waghorne & Miles.

Also mentioned briefly by Grace's Guide as coachbuilders in or near Croydon;
Crofts
Air Dispatch
Manton Motors
Moore's Presto Motor Works
Warwick Motor Body Works

Trojan commercial vehicles were also in Croydon but I doubt they would have been involved in coachbuilding like this.

wag2

169 posts

231 months

Monday 22nd June 2020
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The Beaulieu encyclopedia on coachbuilding lists Crofts and Warwick. Warwick mainily associated with commercial vehicles, Crofts (1922-1939) mainly builders of van bodies. For Trojan they built distinctive vans including one resembling a teapot.


hidetheelephants

24,352 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2020
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hidetheelephants said:
Boredom on a Friday night lead to some idle googling, which lead to some perusal of Commercial Motor's beta online archive, which is buggy but yielded quite a bit of detail. Cutting and pasting got me to these.


Grace's guide only has one Robson involved with coachbuilding;

William and Thomas Robson of 60, Farringdon Road, London, E.C.I

Commercial Motor Body Builders and Repairers.

hidetheelephants said:
A few more cut-and-pastes.



Grace's guide offers a little detail about the coachbuilders of these two.



DementedGael

2 posts

135 months

Sunday 2nd August 2020
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Hey there, I'd actually be interested in any information you're willing to share.

I'm in the process of putting together the initial research for a documentary about innovations in Glasgow around the transportation revolution.

Cheers!

Michael