Another mystery car

[dandarez]

_Sorted_ said:

Few more renders.

Thought I'd just look back in see if any progress...

WOW!
Really wasn't prepared for that. SUPERB!

Well, if rendering is correct then I was right about a Wilmot Breeden (type) boot handle (not a fuel filler).

Still thinking it could be a whole length panel encompassing the (Perspex) rear screen.
Also, 1962 and perfect shut lines, hidden boot hinges... nah, don't believe that for a one-off special.

Just a sec. Something is not adding up though, how did you decide on the rear Sorted, one area not visible at all in the photo?

What made you make a recessed panel (for reg plate) and to the right the fuel filler cap? I was thinking fuel filler on offside rear wing.

Then there's the exiting of the pee-shooter exhaust tail pipe on the left hand side (why not central, or to the right?)

I know. The penny has dropped.
It's YOUR car isn't it!

It's the Detro S (Sorted backwards) a one-off GRP special.

Edited by dandarez on Thursday 9th August 23:54

[838HNK]

Sorry still tackling this from the world of old fibreglass cars that exist and the Ashley looks close enough to be an "Originator" that has then been modified. This is a blown up image of the factory drawing that now has the wheel base. Does it match the simulation in any way ??

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[838HNK]

This is an artists impression of what the Ashley 1172 could have looked like but got lost in translation to the real thing.

[_Sorted_]

Dandarez said:
"1962 and perfect shut lines, hidden boot hinges" - Agreed. Boot hinges on agenda. Perfect shut lines? Computer collides with real world. Fine dividing line between adding some variation and making it look like you are rubbish at CAD. As an aside video here shows how conformity is the enemy of realism in CG. Last 15 secs shows difference between an average render and some additionally effort making superb.

"how did you decide on the rear Sorted, one area not visible at all in the photo?" - Guess based on what else was around at time.

"What made you make a recessed panel (for reg plate) and to the right the fuel filler cap?" As above and the fuel filler in render is a badge.

"I was thinking fuel filler on offside rear wing." - Not shown on renders, but this is where I put it also.

"Then there's the exiting of the pee-shooter exhaust tail pipe on the left hand side (why not central, or to the right?)" - You can just about see the exhaust below rear over-rider.

838 HNK said:
In effect, can I look into Ashley plan. Done below.





Both Ashley wheelbases longer. What engine is in Ashley?

[forsure]

This may have been covered already.
I think you said you used other vehicles in the photo as a reference re. dimensions.
Are you aware that the bus in the foregound is an 8ft wide RTW, whereas the one behind is a 7ft 6in wide RTL ?

[_Sorted_]

forsure said:

This may have been covered already.
I think you said you used other vehicles in the photo as a reference re. dimensions.
Are you aware that the bus in the foregound is an 8ft wide RTW, whereas the one behind is a 7ft 6in wide RTL ?

After trying to match the blasted thing, as in RTL, up for ages and failing, noticed the relevant reply on PH. Widened and then worked as it should.

[alfaspecial]

_Sorted_ said:

Dandarez said:
"1962 and perfect shut lines, hidden boot hinges" - Agreed. Boot hinges on agenda. Perfect shut lines? Computer collides with real world. Fine dividing line between adding some variation and making it look like you are rubbish at CAD. As an aside video here shows how conformity is the enemy of realism in CG. Last 15 secs shows difference between an average render and some additionally effort making superb.

"how did you decide on the rear Sorted, one area not visible at all in the photo?" - Guess based on what else was around at time.

"What made you make a recessed panel (for reg plate) and to the right the fuel filler cap?" As above and the fuel filler in render is a badge.

"I was thinking fuel filler on offside rear wing." - Not shown on renders, but this is where I put it also.

"Then there's the exiting of the pee-shooter exhaust tail pipe on the left hand side (why not central, or to the right?)" - You can just about see the exhaust below rear over-rider.

838 HNK said:
In effect, can I look into Ashle

y plan. Done below.





Both Ashley wheelbases longer. What engine is in Ashley?

The Ashley http://www.fordspecials.co.uk/ashley.html presumably Ford sidevalve?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_(automobile)
Quote "Ashley 1172
Launched in August 1958, it was initially a roadster with a detachable hard top, to fit the Ford 8 and 10hp chassis of 7-foot-6-inch (2.29 m) wheelbase with the Ford Sidevalve engine. It had a displacement of 1172 cc from which the model took its name. The Regent chassis was advertised as an alternative underpinning for the shell. Early in 1959 a fixed head coupe was offered whilst from January 1960 the 1172 was also available to fit the 7-foot-10-inch (2.39 m) Prefect ladder frame. The roadster shells retailed for £105 and the coupes for £160. The rights to the 1172 body were acquired by Yitzhak Shubinsky of the Israeli Autocars Co. and modified, becoming both the Autocar Sabre and in a manufacturing agreement with Reliant, the Reliant Sabre.[1]

Possibly eliminating the Ashley but this was 'just ' a prototype http://ashley1172.weebly.com/ashley-1172---rmd-3.h...
http://ashley1172.weebly.com/ashley-1172---mep-22....


There were gull winged Ashleys, I believe

Could this be a highly modified 'our' car? (or 'our' car a highly modified version ....... Different but some similarities. The link might give further clues

http://www.postwarclassic.com/postwarclassic/magaz...
|https://thumbsnap.com/w5rb77b8[/url]




For interest look at this rendition of 'our' car on autoste (thanks to Skut 20/9/17 @ 5.58am) http://autoste.com/topic/25433-mystery-car-on-pi...

(sorry link doesn't work)

Edited by alfaspecial on Friday 10th August 16:48

[url]

Edited by alfaspecial on Friday 10th August 16:51

[TonyRPH]

alfaspecial said:

(sorry link doesn't work)

Try this (TinyURL)

Here's a screenshot of the post.

Edited by TonyRPH on Friday 10th August 17:05

[gothatway]

alfaspecial said:

There were gull winged Ashleys, I believe

Could this be a highly modified 'our' car? (or 'our' car a highly modified version ....... Different but some similarities. The link might give further clues


http://www.postwarclassic.com/postwarclassic/magaz...

|https://thumbsnap.com/w5rb77b8[/url]

I was wondering why anyone would use that wrap-around screen at the front or "our" car, given that it seems to place significant constraints on other aspects, particularly the doors. But this yellow car looks so similar both in screen and doors - I wonder whether _sorted_ might already be working on measurements with a view to seeing whether they would fit ?

[alfaspecial]

TonyRPH said:

alfaspecial said:

(sorry link doesn't work)

Try this (TinyURL)

Here's a screenshot of the post.

Edited by TonyRPH on Friday 10th August 17:05

I posted the link to autoste & when I checked my post it hadn't 'worked' but I had things to do.... so didn't get around to posting a screenshot. Thanks for posting the rendering.

[_Sorted_]

gothatway said:

alfaspecial said:

There were gull winged Ashleys, I believe

Could this be a highly modified 'our' car? (or 'our' car a highly modified version ....... Different but some similarities. The link might give further clues


http://www.postwarclassic.com/postwarclassic/magaz...

|https://thumbsnap.com/w5rb77b8[/url]

I was wondering why anyone would use that wrap-around screen at the front or "our" car, given that it seems to place significant constraints on other aspects, particularly the doors. But this yellow car looks so similar both in screen and doors - I wonder whether _sorted_ might already be working on measurements with a view to seeing whether they would fit ?

OK. Will take the bait. Please PM with details of owner and will get in contact with a view to borrowing scanner and placing the scan info over new design. Assuming he/she is happy for me to do so.

[uk66fastback]

So the mystery car has possibly had TWO bodyshells! Neither known. Unlikely in the extreme, surely!

[gothatway]

No, I don't think they're the same car, but there are similarities in the shape of the screen and that they both (appear to) have gullwing doors. But comparing the images side-by-side it's obvious that the lower halves of the doors are in fact totally different, as are the scuttle and rear of the bonnet. So perhaps it's a red herring after all.

[alfaspecial]

I doubt it is the same 'car' but that doesn't mean that 'our' car doesn't use proprietary 'specials' components, possibly for the car in question.

Imagine someone has built a 'kit' car but then wants to modify it to have (say) gull-winged doors. The builder could take the time and trouble to engineer these from scratch OR (say) just go to Convair* and purchase a hard top (with gull winged doors).
In those days youngsters with more time than money, who may have had some aerospace engineering experience (National Service in RAF?), may well have been building modifying 'specials' for themselves with an eye to future commercial success...... There was some pretty impressive, very small scale, often amateur car manufacturing going on at this time. Think of Ginetta, Elva even Lotus


Quote from http://www.fordspecials.co.uk/convair.html
Also offered was their Mk1 shell for £68 for the bare shell, or £88 if bought with mounting tubes and brackets, fitted doors, bonnet and boot. Or with wheel arches and bulkheads for £108. Le Mans type headlamp covers could also be fitted for an extra £12. The `V` screen shown above £12.10s and a hardtop with gullwing doors for £35.
End Quote

Did we ever get an answer on the windscreen used? If so is this the one used by Convair/Ashley or whoever in their gulled winged door-ed cars?

• Convair. Obviously there were other kit car companies producing gull winged doors - eg Convair/Ashley/etc may well have had a market is selling kit car components, such as a "hardtop with gull winged doors" (as well as kit cars) to specials builders.

Edited by alfaspecial on Saturday 11th August 12:53

Edited by alfaspecial on Saturday 11th August 12:54

[uk66fastback]

Has it ever been considered the whole roof, doors and ‘fastback’ may be a one piece section dropped on an open car? Or is that just too ridiculous to be contemplated?

[torquespeak]

uk66fastback said:

Has it ever been considered the whole roof, doors and ‘fastback’ may be a one piece section dropped on an open car? Or is that just too ridiculous to be contemplated?

Not sure that could work given how far the doors extend down. Just for fun, here's a period ad showing similar setups to what you're envisaging though. I think the E-type GTE looks quite tidy.



-Ed

[gothatway]

torquespeak said:

I think the E-type GTE looks quite tidy.

A bit Manta-esque ?

[Dr G]

I thought more Marcos GT.

[occrj]

_Sorted_ said:

gothatway said:

alfaspecial said:

There were gull winged Ashleys, I believe

Could this be a highly modified 'our' car? (or 'our' car a highly modified version ....... Different but some similarities. The link might give further clues


http://www.postwarclassic.com/postwarclassic/magaz...

|https://thumbsnap.com/w5rb77b8[/url]

I was wondering why anyone would use that wrap-around screen at the front or "our" car, given that it seems to place significant constraints on other aspects, particularly the doors. But this yellow car looks so similar both in screen and doors - I wonder whether _sorted_ might already be working on measurements with a view to seeing whether they would fit ?

OK. Will take the bait. Please PM with details of owner and will get in contact with a view to borrowing scanner and placing the scan info over new design. Assuming he/she is happy for me to do so.

The orange car was bought (or rather the chassis of it was) by a mate of mine years ago - he provided me with a copy of these photos. It had a spaceframe chassis (which he went on to use under a Falcon Mk2 bodyshell), the body had already been disposed of by the time he found it.

http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/spaceframe.htm

RJ

[MrDallas]

I'm sure its been mentioned so ill apologise now

just thinking out loud but IMO the closest looking car and possibly from the same stable is the stuff from Tunex's /Heron Plastics

they were about from 1961 to 1967, and the easy incarnations based on austin 7 specials, so next question is.... is the wheel base the same as a 7 ?

Edit, so the early Hero stuff was based on a 7, but that has a wheel base of 190.5, so a good 200mm shorter than the render, the later stuff however was their own chassis

Edited by MrDallas on Tuesday 14th August 18:56