Mondeo ST220, will it ever be "future classic"?!

Mondeo ST220, will it ever be "future classic"?!

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Monty Python

4,812 posts

197 months

Monday 4th April 2016
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I doubt it - it was basically a standard Mondeo with a bodykit an a bigger engine. As stated already, it's not an RS, and has no racing/rallying pedigree.

WarnieV6GT

1,135 posts

199 months

Monday 4th April 2016
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Can't see a standard ST220 being a classic as although a good car it has nothing remarkable about it. But yours is different as it's factory fresh and with that in mind It will become very desirable but it will take a lot of time for the value to rise I imagine.

If it was me I would carry on storing it and just bring it out for shows etc in the future. Using it now for general runabout duties would quickly see any future profit dwindle away. Shame it's £485 tax as it would be nice to use it as a weekend or special occasion car.


Dave_ST220

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10,294 posts

205 months

Monday 4th April 2016
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WarnieV6GT said:
Shame it's £485 tax as it would be nice to use it as a weekend or special occasion car.
That is the bit that pisses me off! I really didn't know at the time the tax was all changing, oops. Insurance is nothing at £250 a year. I just can't bring myself to see it used as a daily run about/shopping car after seeing how my once mint Mk1 has ended up looking frown

Then again, cars are built to use and realistically it's going to be 10, 15 or even 20 years before mine would be worth anything half decent!!

It's hardy an exotic car, in reality I shouldn't have ever purchased it....hindsight is a wonderful thing!!

M3DGE

1,979 posts

164 months

Monday 4th April 2016
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I think it probably will become a classic, but I don't think your 10 year time horizon is long enough. That would make 2006 cars start to appreciate, which they are not....an nor really are 1996 ones. Others mentioned on here - old GTIs, XRs etc are 80s beasts. I would think you would need perhaps 25 years for yours to go to the bottom of the depreciation curve, back up, and beyond to a level where you would be in profit net of insurance and inflation.

Dave_ST220

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10,294 posts

205 months

Monday 4th April 2016
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Yeah that's a good point. Unless I can sell it now I think it's destined to be used as per my original plan!

Steven_RW

1,729 posts

202 months

Monday 4th April 2016
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We had an N reg 24v mondeo (think saw 150k miles min), an R reg v6 mondeo (240k), two Y reg GhiaX V6 (150k ish each).

Currently we have my 52 plate GhiaX V6 (145k), dads ST220 (245k) and my sister black ST220 which is new to the family recently (90k ish).

All owned from nearly new (10k or less) except the black st220.

Great cars, there to be used. If you keep them well maintained it is hard to get as much car for the money elsewhere.

I'd say drive it and enjoy it and over the next few years your £8k motor will become worth £2k. It will never appreciate to any amount worth the hassle imo.

Good luck.

SRW


greenarrow

3,591 posts

117 months

Monday 4th April 2016
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I still disagree with all the "nay sayers". It has a lot going for it;

1) it is really rare for a fast Ford. I remember Clarkson saying Aston shifted more Db9s a year than ford sold ST220s.

2) Its the last properly sporty Sierra/Mondeo class Ford. The Mk4 2.5T wasn't a properly marketed or set up fast Ford.

3) its the last n/a engined sporty Ford and one with a V6 too...

4) it looks the dogs danglies in the right colour and very representative of an early to mid 2000s sporty motor....

Give it a few more years to weed out the rubbish and the written off and scrapped and believe me values will rise.

A car doesn't have to have any race or track pedigree to appreciate, it just needs a) a cult following and b) to be rare...

the Honda S2000 is a case in point. No racing pedigree, not loved by the motoring press of the day, but has a loyal, fanatical following and values are way higher than the equivalent year 2.5/2.7 Boxster....

Nissan 200SX too....mainly thanks to the drifters!

Dave_ST220

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10,294 posts

205 months

Tuesday 5th April 2016
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/\ Those were some of my thoughts too hence the post!

CX53

2,972 posts

110 months

Tuesday 5th April 2016
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I know that tax is annoying but surely proper storage would cost more... May as well taxis, enjoy it and if it picks up any scrapes as a weekend/occasional car just get them done to keep it nice?

Podie

46,630 posts

275 months

Tuesday 5th April 2016
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greenarrow said:
...No racing pedigree...
In a world where "M-sport" "S-line" and "AMG-packs" are the norm, people are getting hung up on racing pedigree?

What racing pedigree is there in modern motorsport? Surely most race cars look a bit like the road car - the heyday of homologation specials (Sierra RS500s, M3s, etc) are sadly gone - aren't' they?

ZX10R NIN

27,598 posts

125 months

Tuesday 5th April 2016
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I know they don't have a following yet but then neither did the XR range but look now, I think they'll get a following as an affordable classic.

daemon

35,818 posts

197 months

Tuesday 5th April 2016
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M3DGE said:
I think it probably will become a classic, but I don't think your 10 year time horizon is long enough. That would make 2006 cars start to appreciate, which they are not....an nor really are 1996 ones. Others mentioned on here - old GTIs, XRs etc are 80s beasts. I would think you would need perhaps 25 years for yours to go to the bottom of the depreciation curve, back up, and beyond to a level where you would be in profit net of insurance and inflation.
I would agree. There was a capri recently went for biggish money - £16K? - with miniscule miles on it. Wasnt anything fancy but it was the miles that sold it.

If this ST is kept mint and well serviced it will be worth decent money one day - but not in the next 10 years.

If that isnt palatable for the O/P , I personally wouldnt just start driving it - i'd attempt to sell it on to the "right" buyer who will appreciate it for what it is and look after it, then buy something more modern with the money.

daemon

35,818 posts

197 months

Tuesday 5th April 2016
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Low miles for year examples seem to top out at £6995 at the minute.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Surely to the right man it must be a £9995 car at the minute? Of course finding that man is the difficult bit....

ChrisR99

452 posts

111 months

Tuesday 5th April 2016
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I'd say it will be in the future!

Don't scrap the MK1 though, they're rare as hens teeth now!

sanguinary

1,346 posts

211 months

Tuesday 5th April 2016
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As above, it will be - but it will take some time! I don't think it will appreciate much quicker than other cars of its age. The lack of numbers will help it, but I reckon it will take a while to turn into serious cash. I've been waiting for MR2 MK1s to rise for 15 years now, but they're taking their time too. They bottomed out around 10 years ago, but have only risen a small amount since.

The ST is a well hidden gem, which goes under the radar of the average punter. I didn't appreciate how good they were until I got mine.

In another 10 years a low mileage example should attract attention, but so will a MK1 focus in similar condition...


swisstoni

16,990 posts

279 months

Tuesday 5th April 2016
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I don't think anyone knows.
10-15 years is a long time to try to guess trends. Just because Fords of a certain era are popular now does not necessarily translate to the same being the case for a sporty Mondeo in 2026.
Hang on to it if you want, and hope for the best.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Tuesday 5th April 2016
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Genuinely what's the point? You could be dead in 20 years and all you would have done is looked at a Mondeo stored in a garage. Seems a waste to me.

As mentioned before, running costs will eat into any profit anyway. So either use it or sell it IMO. Cars are for enjoying not storing. And a Ford Mondeo is hardly exotic. Sorry.

Glasgowrob

3,244 posts

121 months

Tuesday 5th April 2016
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St200s are just starting to rise

Be a while before the 220s start going up

daemon

35,818 posts

197 months

Wednesday 6th April 2016
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SidewaysSi said:
Genuinely what's the point? You could be dead in 20 years and all you would have done is looked at a Mondeo stored in a garage. Seems a waste to me.

As mentioned before, running costs will eat into any profit anyway. So either use it or sell it IMO. Cars are for enjoying not storing. And a Ford Mondeo is hardly exotic. Sorry.
I'd sell it now and let someone else who wants such a low miles car keep and cherish it.

Starting to drive it now would be such a waste.

greenarrow

3,591 posts

117 months

Wednesday 6th April 2016
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Glasgowrob said:
St200s are just starting to rise

Be a while before the 220s start going up
The ST200 was launched in 1999 and the prices are in the doldrums, so I guess they had no where to go. The ST220 was only launched 3 years later, so I reckon by 2020 the prices will be on the rise...

Similar thing occurs to me on the Accord Type R. When tegs are fetching 10K in pristine conditions why are nice ones still only going for 3 grand? they are rare and have a following, surely they must appreciate soon....