Morgan takes a nasty hit

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tannhauser

1,773 posts

214 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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mac96 said:
Seems odd road design though. Yes i do know that as the hashed area is bounded by a solid line it should not be entered- but it would have provided emergency run off. With this sign being there, the hashed area looks as if it might as well be grass.
It's fking horrendous highway design. The Morgan driver is still a tt though.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Assume that the road layout was designed by some dude who was working in the dark while off his tits on Mandy. So what? Drive according to the conditions and hazards around you, and those may include rubbish road design.

PS: I am not a God of driving, and I make cock ups and do stupids all the time, but Morgan man is in a whole different league of stupid.

tannhauser

1,773 posts

214 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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True. Still st highway design, and if that sign and bollard hadn't been there, then the Pug driver may have been able to avoid impact...

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Mayhap. Also, if my aunt had bks, she'd be my uncle.

Both drivers had to play the cards that they were dealt. The Pug driver was dealt a pretty st hand.

ColdoRS

1,796 posts

126 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Morgan Donor.

Absolutely at fault, unbelievable that some people here really believe the pug was in the wrong?

Edited by ColdoRS on Tuesday 18th April 11:31

Jonno02

2,246 posts

108 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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I love the PH scientists from a 5 second clip can rule that the PUG was doing excessive speed and wasn't full on braking. wkers, the lot.

Hullygully

85 posts

213 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Oh dear...an upleasant event...no doubt much regret and heartache involved etc. BUT...nothing like as unpleasant as the comments being posted in this thread...people, tucked safely behind their computers, casting judgements and insults with glee. Poor show.

Hainey

4,381 posts

199 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Hullygully said:
Oh dear...an upleasant event...no doubt much regret and heartache involved etc. BUT...nothing like as unpleasant as the comments being posted in this thread...people, tucked safely behind their computers, casting judgements and insults with glee. Poor show.
I personally fail to see how quite measured comments on this thread are more 'unpleasant' than causing an innocent driver the trauma of an accident, possible injury and insurance dealings.

You quite frankly have a very strange outlook.

jamoor

14,506 posts

214 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Im tempted to say the brakes and tyres on the pug will be garbage.

Jonno02

2,246 posts

108 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Hainey said:
I personally fail to see how quite measured comments on this thread are more 'unpleasant' than causing an innocent driver the trauma of an accident, possible injury and insurance dealings.

You quite frankly have a very strange outlook.
Cotton wool/SJW era.

mattlad

261 posts

164 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Indecently, did anyone notice how close the Peugeot came to hitting the Morgan's passenger headrest?

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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You are defending an indefensible position. If you can't see that, then there's not much I can do to assist.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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jamoor said:
Im tempted to say the brakes and tyres on the pug will be garbage.
Do you mean that they will be rubbish now, after the crash, or that they were rubbish before the crash?

If the latter, does it matter? Can the Morgan driver say "I am entitled to drive like this because I assume that every other car has mega brakes and fabby tyres? (Maybe add "...and is driven by Lewis Hamilton".)

PS: I am still laughing at xmyph's comment about another car leaving the car show and crossing the central reservation without stopping. I also love the bit about no road markings telling you to stop in the middle bit. This is Olympic level straw-clutching.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

136 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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Some very strange opinions posted on this thread in defence of the dangerous dimwit Morgan driver.


yellowjack

17,065 posts

165 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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ColdoRS said:
Morgan Doner.

Absolutely at fault, unbelievable that some people here really believe the pug was in the wrong?
Kebabs? Yay!!!


...am I the only sober person ever who ordered a large Doner with chilli sauce and extra chillies, AND enjoyed it???

yellowjack

17,065 posts

165 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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MarshPhantom said:
Some very strange opinions posted on this thread in defence of the dangerous dimwit Morgan driver.
Yup. I was taught that "if you make any manoeuvre which causes another road user to have to alter their course or speed, then it is highly likely that YOU have made a mistake". The key part of the statement from said instructor was "but to err is human - so take all that you can from the situation and LEARN from it".

To my mind the biggest contributing factor in the particular collision we're discussing was the Morgan driver not wanting to be the only driver to disappoint the window-licking dumbass "Youtubers" standing on the roadside, by delivering a less than spectacular exit from the site. Any instinct to drive defensively and therefore safely has been overwhelmed by a "Look AT MEEEEE!!!" moment of imbecilic showing off.

I've seen it before on such a video, on another thread on PH, with morons in supercars exiting a site into what amounted to a bank of fog, but with no adjustment of their driving behaviour down from "dry summer's day in perfect visibility" levels of throttle input. I seem to recall being abused for exhibiting common sense back on that thread too. It's almost like there's an unwillingness to even consider criticism of the drivers of "PistonHeads-worthy" cars, no matter how badly they are driving. This saddens me, because those defending the Morgan driver will likely not learn anything at all from the obvious idiocy demonstrated in the video.

It doesn't even matter that the Peugeot driver may also be a complete bell-end, driving far too quickly, or not paying enough attention to the situation developing ahead of him. This collision is (quite possibly) the perfect storm of two idiots meeting one-another, but the Peugeot is established, and committed. The Morgan is neither of these things whilst static at the exit of the show. He'd be neither of those things static in the central refuge. But instead, the driver commits fully to crossing both carriageways in one giant leap, and attempts to establish himself on the main carriageway. Poor judgement on any given day anyway, but in this instance it has serious, potentially fatal consequences.

lowdrag

12,869 posts

212 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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After all the only-too-typical PH opinionating my own view, after a lifetime in insurance, is that if not for this video the Peugeot driver would have been held 100% to blame unless he had a camera in his screen to show the incident. This independent third party film gives weight to the stupidity and culpability or the Morgan driver. But the insurers may just shrug any go 50/50. Saves costs. I was though most impressed that one poster had managed to discern that the Peugeot had poor brakes and tyres. He has missed his vocation.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

136 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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Not looking good for Morgan drivers.




ETA - Morgan engineer who ended up in someone's front garden in a residential street in Malvern. A mile from the factory.

Edited by MarshPhantom on Tuesday 18th April 09:42

thebraketester

14,192 posts

137 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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MarshPhantom said:
Not looking good for Morgan drivers.


100% the mazda drivers fault........

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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anonymous said:
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When someone makes absurd points, either online or in real life, I point out the absurdity. When doing so I may express myself in a robust and maybe even scornful manner. I debate here exactly as I debate in the pub. Top tips: if someone argues against your position - (1) that is not necessarily a personal attack on you, it's an attack on your position; and (2) if you don't agree, argue back. That's allowed. PH is not, I hope, a place for Generation Snowflake, safe spaces, or trigger warnings.

I see that you are adopting the "lessons must be learned" approach, and there is often much to commend that when analysing how to prevent an incident recurring. But it is difficult to legislate or regulate for idiots, and the Morgan driver here was, as is apparent from the video, someone prepared to act like an idiot. Have a look at accident theory, as set out most fully in the context of aviation accident research, and the study of "human factors". In this case there are very significant human factors that influence the behaviour of the Morgan driver and ensure that all of the holes in the Swiss cheese align.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 18th April 10:12