Morgan takes a nasty hit

[grumbledoak]

It would be jumping to conclusions to say that the Morgan driver was showing off at the exit from a meet.

It is quite clear without any jumping that the Morgan driver caused the collision.

[Wacky Racer]

grumbledoak said:

It would be jumping to conclusions to say that the Morgan driver was showing off at the exit from a meet.

It is quite clear without any jumping that the Morgan driver caused the collision.

I simply said it was a possibility.

There are loads of videos on the net of cars coming to grief when drivers are leaving these kind of events.

[Shoegrip]

bga said:

What more info is required?

The approach speed of the Pug together with the road layout.

If there was clear sight and the Pug was doing 90, the Moggy driver was still at fault but if there was a bend before the junction and it was reasonable to assume that a car would be approaching at a normal speed, if the Pug was doing twice that then it is difficult to apportion much blame on the Mog.

It is very easy to mistakenly blame the wrong person when you don't have all the info.

[lucido grigio]

100% Morgan at fault.

BUT.

Maybe the Peugeot driver could have concentrated on braking rather than the long horn blast.

[sparkythecat]

Reading through the comments on YouTube, makes me appreciate how well moderated PH is.
One poster has suggested that the incident occurred at the junction in the link below, which is near Witney ,Oxford,
The road layout looks very similar, but the street furniture looks different. Anyone on here with local knowledge?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3131507,-0.89096...

[Wacky Racer]

Shoegrip said:

It is very easy to mistakenly blame the wrong person when you don't have all the info.

Very true, we can only go off what we can see in the video.

[angels95]

Quite surprised at some of the people trying to defend the Morgan driver. The fact is that he pulled out straight in front of another vehicle and was 100% at fault.

[Allan L]

sparkythecat said:

Reading through the comments on YouTube, makes me appreciate how well moderated PH is.
One poster has suggested that the incident occurred at the junction in the link below, which is near Witney ,Oxford,
The road layout looks very similar, but the street furniture looks different. Anyone on here with local knowledge?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3131507,-0.89096...

That's the A30 (London Road) Hartley Wintney which is Hampshire and nowhere near Witney. I'm not local to either but it's written on the picture!

[TR4man]

Allan L said:

sparkythecat said:

Reading through the comments on YouTube, makes me appreciate how well moderated PH is.
One poster has suggested that the incident occurred at the junction in the link below, which is near Witney ,Oxford,
The road layout looks very similar, but the street furniture looks different. Anyone on here with local knowledge?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3131507,-0.89096...

That's the A30 (London Road) Hartley Wintney which is Hampshire and nowhere near Witney. I'm not local to either but it's written on the picture!

Stop bringing facts into the argument!

[sparkythecat]

Sorry, I've confused Witney and Wintney.

[technodup]

Allan L said:

That's the A30 (London Road) Hartley Wintney which is Hampshire and nowhere near Witney. I'm not local to either but it's written on the picture!

Wherever it is it's the same as the video. Streetview is from 2010 so signage might be different but the trees and kerbs are identical.

Morgan at fault. Obviously.

[Riley Blue]

I can't see the Morgan driver look to his left at all in that video but what he does seem to do is look left and down after he has completed his turn as if he'd missed a gear.

[anonymous-user]

The video appears to me very clear. The Morgan driver exits the car meeting and drives off in a flashy manner. He appears not to look to his left and simply proceeds to join the carriageway, seemingly intent on hooning off making a noise to impress the troops at the meeting. The Peugeot may or may not have been speeding, but the incident would not have happened if the Morgan driver had applied basic driving skills and elementary caution.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 16th April 13:04

[anonymous-user]

Shoegrip said:

... in simple terms, the Moggy was able to straighten up, the Pug will be deemed to have been going too fast and rear ended the Moggy.

...

The law of negligence does not work like that. If the matter were to be examined by a civil court, there would be no "deeming". There is an urban myth that the driver of a vehicle that hits another vehicle from the rear is always at fault, but in reality all depends on the circumstances of the individual case.

[InitialDave]

technodup said:

herever it is it's the same as the video. Streetview is from 2010 so signage might be different but the trees and kerbs are identical.

Yes, the streetview is different, though it gives some idea of what the view would have been from the Morgan (had he looked):



And from the Peugeot:



Although the camera being on the roof of a car will change the perspective, it really does seem like you couldn't ask for a more open and visible junction to try and join a major road from.

[bga]

Shoegrip said:

bga said:

What more info is required?

The approach speed of the Pug together with the road layout.

If there was clear sight and the Pug was doing 90, the Moggy driver was still at fault but if there was a bend before the junction and it was reasonable to assume that a car would be approaching at a normal speed, if the Pug was doing twice that then it is difficult to apportion much blame on the Mog.

It is very easy to mistakenly blame the wrong person when you don't have all the info.

I disagree. The fault is crystal clear. If the Morgan driver is unable to ascertain the approach speed of the car (that they intentionally cut up) relative to their planned move then they should not be driving.

[geeman237]

Here's some more video of the location by the same guy and it gives clearer views of the road layout in both directions. It appears to be a regular car meet with the inevitable bravado of a flashy exit for the crowd.
Could the Peugeot have swerved safely to the right of the Morgan to avoid the collision?
https://youtu.be/JUTfTHArZkY

[Yipper]

Looks like 67% Morgan, 33% Pug.

Morgan pulled out in front of Pug.

Pug did not brake or swerve hard enough to avoid the perp.

Both cr*p drivers.

[Wacky Racer]

geeman237 said:

Here's some more video of the location by the same guy and it gives clearer views of the road layout in both directions. It appears to be a regular car meet with the inevitable bravado of a flashy exit for the crowd.
Could the Peugeot have swerved safely to the right of the Morgan to avoid the collision?
https://youtu.be/JUTfTHArZkY

Notice how nearly all the drivers had stopped in the central reservation.

[hman]

If the insurance companies see this footage it will not be a split blame claim