The end of our world as we know it.

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mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Saturday 15th July 2017
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Storer said:
My other business only uses electrical energy so a solution is simple. Plenty of space for solar generation on top of buildings so that is the answer. I will be installing solar panels and a 'battery'/'capacitor' storage facility (we are already erecting the building) that will be able to generate and store all our electricity needs for that business and my workshop as well as our new home heated by ground source powered by the solar (inc aircon).

The solar will also have the capacity to power our family everyday cars as well as enough to export to the grid to make it a cost free system.

Hope the electric fire engine will have enough charge to get to you when the solar panels set fire to your roof....hehe

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/02/fire-sw...

Storer

5,024 posts

214 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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mybrainhurts said:
Hope the electric fire engine will have enough charge to get to you when the solar panels set fire to your roof....hehe

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/02/fire-sw...
There are always issues but especially when corners are cut! Recent events prove the point!

Mine will not be on a building roof but mounted on a frame to give the correct angle for effective operation and mounted above a fire proof structure with plenty of air circulation all way round the array. The issue is normally caused by the system being unable to cope with really high light intensity days when the grid does not need the power.

The other advantage is it will not be specified/installed/managed by a council employed numpty!


227bhp

10,203 posts

127 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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jith said:
lowdrag said:
With Volvo announcing that they will, from 2020, only produce electric cars and France announcing today that cars with engines, be it petrol or diesel, will be banned from 2040, where does that leave us and our collectors' pieces? Discuss.
I want you to try and imagine a point say, 4 years in the future where they actually achieve the impossible and ban all cars with internal combustion engines, i.e. everything has an electric motor and batteries that need charged every day at least once. Where are they going to get that kind of power output from all the altenative energy sources that are incapable of providing it now?; especially as they have closed all the carbon fuelled power stations that could easily have provided the appropriate output: the irony is positively overpowering!

They never look at or recognise the bigger picture. Never!

J
I think it is you who isn't looking at the bigger picture, you seem to forget something called 'progress'.



Although the reason Volvo is pushing this is because it's owned by the Chinese who happen to have all the raw materials to make electric cars and batteries.
Personally I never got classics to make money, but I have now got quite a lot sitting there so the situation does concern me. I think it's silly to dismiss it and am considering selling up in the next few years while they are still worth what they are, it would be silly not to at least keep an eye on things as I can't really afford not to.

Mr Tidy

22,065 posts

126 months

Monday 17th July 2017
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227bhp said:
I think it is you who isn't looking at the bigger picture, you seem to forget something called 'progress'.



Although the reason Volvo is pushing this is because it's owned by the Chinese who happen to have all the raw materials to make electric cars and batteries.
Personally I never got classics to make money, but I have now got quite a lot sitting there so the situation does concern me. I think it's silly to dismiss it and am considering selling up in the next few years while they are still worth what they are, it would be silly not to at least keep an eye on things as I can't really afford not to.
You missed a bit - the Chinese may have the raw materials to make electric cars and batteries, but they would be useless without electricity and the Chinese also have a fair bit of coal for that!

I'm not sure why you say you never got into classics to make money - if that were the case why would you be so scared about losing some? Then go on to say you can't afford not to "keep an eye on things"? laugh

Maybe get your name down for a pre-order Volvo. biglaugh

jith

2,752 posts

214 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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227bhp said:
jith said:
lowdrag said:
With Volvo announcing that they will, from 2020, only produce electric cars and France announcing today that cars with engines, be it petrol or diesel, will be banned from 2040, where does that leave us and our collectors' pieces? Discuss.
I want you to try and imagine a point say, 4 years in the future where they actually achieve the impossible and ban all cars with internal combustion engines, i.e. everything has an electric motor and batteries that need charged every day at least once. Where are they going to get that kind of power output from all the altenative energy sources that are incapable of providing it now?; especially as they have closed all the carbon fuelled power stations that could easily have provided the appropriate output: the irony is positively overpowering!

They never look at or recognise the bigger picture. Never!

J
I think it is you who isn't looking at the bigger picture, you seem to forget something called 'progress'.



Although the reason Volvo is pushing this is because it's owned by the Chinese who happen to have all the raw materials to make electric cars and batteries.
Personally I never got classics to make money, but I have now got quite a lot sitting there so the situation does concern me. I think it's silly to dismiss it and am considering selling up in the next few years while they are still worth what they are, it would be silly not to at least keep an eye on things as I can't really afford not to.
Yes, the same Chinese with the most appalling record of industrial pollution possibly in history. And you think that's progress. Don't be bloody silly!

The UK, France and Germany, with the blessing of the EU decided it would be a brilliant idea to promote, manufacture and sell millions of diesel cars to run all over Europe. They told us the "experts" claimed that the emissions were much lower than petrol engines. Had they asked any good diesel mechanic of course they could have told them this was utter nonsense and diesel is a highly toxic, dangerous substance when released in huge quantities into the atmosphere. The realisation of this collosal bloomer is the inspiration behind the current enthusiasm for electric cars.

Think that's progress too??!!

J

Vanin

1,010 posts

165 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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My 1994 940 is there already!

The diesel would not start and I had to put it away in the garage and it ran twenty yards totally on electric via the starter motor in first gear!

And recharging could not be more simple.

tapkaJohnD

1,930 posts

203 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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By 2030, even if it's built, electric cars will consume as much energy as the new Hinckley Point power staion will produce.

Electric car future? Donkey cart more like.
John

Tony427

2,873 posts

232 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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Its about time that more people looked at LPG.

Clean burning, far less polluting than either petrol or diesel and half the price of either. My Volvo S80 snotter loves the stuff. Even the engine oil stays clean for over 20k miles.

Most non direct injection petrol engines can be converted to run on LPG including classic cars. I even have a kit sitting in my shed to convert my V8 Cobra once I eventually finish it.

Cheers,

Tony

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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jith said:
The UK, France and Germany, with the blessing of the EU decided it would be a brilliant idea to promote, manufacture and sell millions of diesel cars to run all over Europe. They told us the "experts" claimed that the emissions were much lower than petrol engines.
J
I think it was a case of "you choose your poison"
That year the only emissions they were interested in were CO2, a lot of the time diesels will produce less CO2, so they became flavour of the month. I bet there were lots of other "experts" jumping up and down saying "do you realise how much other st these things kick out!" while the politicians were looking at their targets and going "I've got a target to cut CO2 by X% by Y date" and no where on their international agreements was there anything about "reducing other st that comes out of the back of an exhaust pipe" so they cut CO2 and ignored all the people shouting about stuff like particulates and nitrogen compounds even though they were shouting that it would kill lord knows how many voters. The environmental movement hadn't thought that the politicians would just do exactly what they were asked to do and ignore everything else.

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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Tony427 said:
Its about time that more people looked at LPG.

Clean burning, far less polluting than either petrol or diesel and half the price of either. My Volvo S80 snotter loves the stuff. Even the engine oil stays clean for over 20k miles.

Most non direct injection petrol engines can be converted to run on LPG including classic cars. I even have a kit sitting in my shed to convert my V8 Cobra once I eventually finish it.

Cheers,

Tony
Isn't LPG only half the price because the taxman hasn't clobbered it yet if we all started using LPG it would get taxed to the same level as every other type of fuel. Diesel tax used to be lower than petrol, but they when too many cars were sold with diesel engines so that the taxman started to feel the pinch the tax on diesel increased to compensate, and since on average they do more MPG the tax had to go up higher than that on petrol.

Given the energy density of hydrocarbons I still can't help feeling that the most efficient "electric" car would be one where the electricity was used at a chemical factory to make hydrocarbons which could then be put into the tanks of internal combustion engined vehicles.
But that won't satisfy the anti car lobby.

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

131 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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For decades, it's been feasible to capture CO2 and create hydrocarbons e.g. fuel for internal combustion engines. The stumbling block is the lack of controllable cheap energy. which has to be fusion.

There will still be an interest in classic cars in future decades, just as there is a continuing interest in steam locomotives.

227bhp

10,203 posts

127 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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V8 Fettler said:
There will still be an interest in classic cars in future decades, just as there is a continuing interest in steam locomotives.
Probably so, but how many are left working, 1%?
Whilst being lovely old things they are filthy, expensive and hard work.

227bhp

10,203 posts

127 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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Mr Tidy said:
I'm not sure why you say you never got into classics to make money - if that were the case why would you be so scared about losing some? Then go on to say you can't afford not to "keep an eye on things"? laugh

Maybe get your name down for a pre-order Volvo. biglaugh
Is it beyond your comprehension to understand how my cars value has unwittingly become part of my pension plan? It isn't that difficult to understand surely.

227bhp

10,203 posts

127 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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jith said:
Yes, the same Chinese with the most appalling record of industrial pollution possibly in history. And you think that's progress. Don't be bloody silly!

The UK, France and Germany, with the blessing of the EU decided it would be a brilliant idea to promote, manufacture and sell millions of diesel cars to run all over Europe. They told us the "experts" claimed that the emissions were much lower than petrol engines. Had they asked any good diesel mechanic of course they could have told them this was utter nonsense and diesel is a highly toxic, dangerous substance when released in huge quantities into the atmosphere. The realisation of this collosal bloomer is the inspiration behind the current enthusiasm for electric cars.

Think that's progress too??!!

J
Oh dear, you didn't click on the link did you, it was concerned with the progress of where our electricity comes from in the UK only.
A 'good diesel mechanic' is someone who changes injectors, glow plugs and oil, not someone who you would consult about global emissions.
Overall in the grand scheme of things it is progress.

dryden

361 posts

168 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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227bhp said:
A 'good diesel mechanic' is someone who changes injectors, glow plugs and oil, not someone who you would consult about global emissions.
Probably EXACTLY who we should have consulted, not the men in black suits with their globalist agenda!

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

131 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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227bhp said:
V8 Fettler said:
There will still be an interest in classic cars in future decades, just as there is a continuing interest in steam locomotives.
Probably so, but how many are left working, 1%?
Whilst being lovely old things they are filthy, expensive and hard work.
1% pre-1960 cars or 1% pre-1960 steam locomotives? Or both?

227bhp

10,203 posts

127 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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V8 Fettler said:
227bhp said:
V8 Fettler said:
There will still be an interest in classic cars in future decades, just as there is a continuing interest in steam locomotives.
Probably so, but how many are left working, 1%?
Whilst being lovely old things they are filthy, expensive and hard work.
1% pre-1960 cars or 1% pre-1960 steam locomotives? Or both?
Locos, but probably both could apply wink

rev-erend

21,404 posts

283 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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Anyone ever listen to a rather profound and forward looking track by Rush in 1981 called
Red Barchetta ..

'My uncle has a country place, that no-one knows about
He says it used to be a farm, before the Motor Law
Sundays I elude the ‘Eyes’, and hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire, where my white-haired uncle waits

Jump to the ground
As the Turbo slows to cross the borderline
Run like the wind
As excitement shivers up and down my spine
Down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me an old machine –
For fifty-odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream
I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta, from a better, vanished time
Fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar!
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime…

Wind in my hair –
Shifting and drifting –
Mechanical music
Adrenalin surge –

Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware
Suddenly ahead of me, across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air-car shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires, to run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley as another joins the chase

Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud
With fear and hope, I’ve got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded
At the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle
At the fireside…'

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Wednesday 26th July 2017
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Well it looks like it is the end of the world as we know it. The UK wants to ban new carbon based internal combustion engines. Who knows what tech the future will bring.

culminator

576 posts

208 months

Wednesday 26th July 2017
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Ahh, Rush! Been listening to that song for years and years and only just managed to piece together the lyrics. Very profound!