Modern Burglar Alarms
Discussion
We had a couple of false alarms while we were on holiday. The engineers are saying that our current system is archaic and to be fair we had it fitted well over 20 years ago.
The engineers have recommended this. -
https://www.visonic.com/alarm-install?setRegion=tr...
Has anybody here experience of visonic or recommend any other systems?
The engineers have recommended this. -
https://www.visonic.com/alarm-install?setRegion=tr...
Has anybody here experience of visonic or recommend any other systems?
Visonic are very good but are a little complicated to set up etc.
Ive only installed one wireless system and i would not pick one again.
Texecom are another good system a little easier to live with.
Really depends how complex you intend to go.
Ive heard good reports about the basic yale systems available, good value too.
Ive only installed one wireless system and i would not pick one again.
Texecom are another good system a little easier to live with.
Really depends how complex you intend to go.
Ive heard good reports about the basic yale systems available, good value too.
Belle427 said:
Visonic are very good but are a little complicated to set up etc.
Ive only installed one wireless system and i would not pick one again.
Texecom are another good system a little easier to live with.
Really depends how complex you intend to go.
Ive heard good reports about the basic yale systems available, good value too.
Why wouldn’t you pick a wireless system again? Ive only installed one wireless system and i would not pick one again.
Texecom are another good system a little easier to live with.
Really depends how complex you intend to go.
Ive heard good reports about the basic yale systems available, good value too.
I’m wondering if it’s a case that the older wireless systems weren’t good.
I installed our Visonic system a couple of years ago. As has been mentioned, it was a little complex, but has been really reliable with no false alarms. I'd go for another Visonic if I needed to fit another system in the future. They are also very flexible regarding adding additional sensors, smoke/fire alarms etc.
Looking at the link you've provided, it now seems they have an app for configuring the system, which looks like it would take a lot of the complication away, making the system even more attractive.
Looking at the link you've provided, it now seems they have an app for configuring the system, which looks like it would take a lot of the complication away, making the system even more attractive.
bad company said:
Belle427 said:
Visonic are very good but are a little complicated to set up etc.
Ive only installed one wireless system and i would not pick one again.
Texecom are another good system a little easier to live with.
Really depends how complex you intend to go.
Ive heard good reports about the basic yale systems available, good value too.
Why wouldn’t you pick a wireless system again? Ive only installed one wireless system and i would not pick one again.
Texecom are another good system a little easier to live with.
Really depends how complex you intend to go.
Ive heard good reports about the basic yale systems available, good value too.
I’m wondering if it’s a case that the older wireless systems weren’t good.
Battery changes are the only thing to be aware of in the bell boxes and sensors etc as in my experience they last around 2 years, which can be more expense if you need an engineer to visit.
Belle427 said:
bad company said:
Belle427 said:
Visonic are very good but are a little complicated to set up etc.
Ive only installed one wireless system and i would not pick one again.
Texecom are another good system a little easier to live with.
Really depends how complex you intend to go.
Ive heard good reports about the basic yale systems available, good value too.
Why wouldn’t you pick a wireless system again? Ive only installed one wireless system and i would not pick one again.
Texecom are another good system a little easier to live with.
Really depends how complex you intend to go.
Ive heard good reports about the basic yale systems available, good value too.
I’m wondering if it’s a case that the older wireless systems weren’t good.
Battery changes are the only thing to be aware of in the bell boxes and sensors etc as in my experience they last around 2 years, which can be more expense if you need an engineer to visit.
Belle427 said:
Visonic are very good but are a little complicated to set up etc.
Ive only installed one wireless system and i would not pick one again.
Texecom are another good system a little easier to live with.
Really depends how complex you intend to go.
Ive heard good reports about the basic yale systems available, good value too.
Had one of the off the shelf Yale ones for a few years, no major issues other than a false alarm at 1am on boxing day one year while I was 40 miles away.... other than that it was fine and much easier to setup than the Honeywell system I got for my new place.Ive only installed one wireless system and i would not pick one again.
Texecom are another good system a little easier to live with.
Really depends how complex you intend to go.
Ive heard good reports about the basic yale systems available, good value too.
The quote for the setup just arrived as below. The costs are as expected but I can’t get my head around having to almost double the annual maintenance charge. I reckon that’s to cover the cost of replacing the batteries:-
The system that I propose is the new powermaster 360 control panel under the stairs, this will be connected to the internet via wifi for app control and notifications.
Wireless active bell and matching dummy
Wireless contacts on the front and back doors
Wireless motion detectors in the hall, dining, kitchen, drawing, study and landing
2 x remote set / unset fobs
£890.00 + vat
you can have camera pirs instead of the standard ones, these send still images if they detect movement during a burglary event, add £80 + vat each to the cost for any that you swap from the list above.
All the devices run on batteries which are included in our maintenance package as follows.
Annual maintenance will be £144 including vat at the beginning of the period or 12 x £12 by direct debit, this will include the annual site visit, all system batteries as and when required and access to us 24/7.
The system that I propose is the new powermaster 360 control panel under the stairs, this will be connected to the internet via wifi for app control and notifications.
Wireless active bell and matching dummy
Wireless contacts on the front and back doors
Wireless motion detectors in the hall, dining, kitchen, drawing, study and landing
2 x remote set / unset fobs
£890.00 + vat
you can have camera pirs instead of the standard ones, these send still images if they detect movement during a burglary event, add £80 + vat each to the cost for any that you swap from the list above.
All the devices run on batteries which are included in our maintenance package as follows.
Annual maintenance will be £144 including vat at the beginning of the period or 12 x £12 by direct debit, this will include the annual site visit, all system batteries as and when required and access to us 24/7.
Belle427 said:
Id find out exactly what your getting as they are usially fit and forget except for battery changes.
I’ve been using these guys for over 10 years. They service the current setup annually and come out if there’s a problem. Not worried about them ‘fitting and forgetting’.I sacked off visonic gear due to high early life failure rates and wireless jamming issues, went pyronix and never looked back.
For a similar job to what you have I would charge similarly but I would install a CSL dualcom digiair connected and a worldsim, and included in the price is professional monitoring as well as the app, meaning if your landline gets cut or you have a powercut switching off your router the alarm will still signal, and the connection is polled so if something goes wrong it gets flagged up rather than just failing to perform when needed. Also the pro monitoring means if your phone has no data or is switched off the monitoring centre will be calling round your keyholders.
I'm not touting for business btw, fully booked until febuary.
I am touting for trainee engineers though....
For a similar job to what you have I would charge similarly but I would install a CSL dualcom digiair connected and a worldsim, and included in the price is professional monitoring as well as the app, meaning if your landline gets cut or you have a powercut switching off your router the alarm will still signal, and the connection is polled so if something goes wrong it gets flagged up rather than just failing to perform when needed. Also the pro monitoring means if your phone has no data or is switched off the monitoring centre will be calling round your keyholders.
I'm not touting for business btw, fully booked until febuary.
I am touting for trainee engineers though....
Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Wednesday 14th November 17:59
bad company said:
Presumably I’d still need an annual service call by the alarm company and they’d change the batteries then?
I fitted a Visonic Powermax Complete wireless alarm in my daughter's Warwick home four years ago, following up last Saturday replacing batteries, very easy to install, operate, service and replace batteries. At a rental property I also installed a wireless Yale Smart Home alarm, again easy to install, operate and replace batteries.No false alarms with either of the above alarms, although fully reading instructions and using basic common sense, will help to alleviate the same.
Edited by Wings on Wednesday 14th November 18:15
OldGermanHeaps said:
I sacked off visonic gear due to high early life failure rates and wireless jamming issues, went pyronix and never looked back.
For a similar job to what you have I would charge similarly but I would install a CSL dualcom digiair connected and a worldsim, and included in the price is professional monitoring as well as the app, meaning if your landline gets cut or you have a powercut switching off your router the alarm will still signal, and the connection is polled so if something goes wrong it gets flagged up rather than just failing to perform when needed. Also the pro monitoring means if your phone has no data or is switched off the monitoring centre will be calling round your keyholders.
I'm not touting for business btw, fully booked until febuary.
I am touting for trainee engineers though....
That’s really helpful advice, thank you very much. It bothers me that if I have a power cut or the WiFi goes down my alarm won’t work hence your advice about the dualcom with world sim. For a similar job to what you have I would charge similarly but I would install a CSL dualcom digiair connected and a worldsim, and included in the price is professional monitoring as well as the app, meaning if your landline gets cut or you have a powercut switching off your router the alarm will still signal, and the connection is polled so if something goes wrong it gets flagged up rather than just failing to perform when needed. Also the pro monitoring means if your phone has no data or is switched off the monitoring centre will be calling round your keyholders.
I'm not touting for business btw, fully booked until febuary.
I am touting for trainee engineers though....
Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Wednesday 14th November 17:59
Shame you’re not local or available.
Last i checked csl dont do a polled product with app compatibility for the visonic systems, but they do for pyronix and texecom. I prefer the pyronix detectors though and with the new dual frequency 2 way tech the wireless is now as good as texecom without all the faffing around that goes with ricochet.
Well for various reasons I didn’t update my ancient alarm system but this thread made me think now is the time to reconsider:-
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Is there any update on the advice above? What I’d really like is a system with an alarm integrated with cctv if there’s such a product.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Is there any update on the advice above? What I’d really like is a system with an alarm integrated with cctv if there’s such a product.
Spare tyre said:
I have a Yale alarm, it’s perfectly fine
I always assume the bad reviews left by them are because they are fitted by morons who don’t follow instructions/ basic principles
I always try to keep cctv / cctv in separated systems in case of failure / replacement of technology speeds
My yale system's only had one false alarm. The keypad failed, a known problem, they sent a new one out foc (but I had to hassle them a bit) been fine since.I always assume the bad reviews left by them are because they are fitted by morons who don’t follow instructions/ basic principles
I always try to keep cctv / cctv in separated systems in case of failure / replacement of technology speeds
It's easy to use and set up, extra sensors and what not are readily available, cheap, and easy to code in.
Yales are very easily jammed or tampered with and dont comply with any of the bs or en standards for intruder alarms. They regularly develop faults which mean they can fail to perform when needed and because they lack the proper monitoring and self testing you will be unaware that cover is compromised.
by all means if you like the feeling that you have some sort of alarm thats ok but you cant claim they are on a par with anything proper and certified there are a lot of significant differences behind the plastics.
Remember to walk test all zones and siren test regularly.
The reason pros wont fit yale and other unapproved equipment is there is comeback on us when it fails to perform.
by all means if you like the feeling that you have some sort of alarm thats ok but you cant claim they are on a par with anything proper and certified there are a lot of significant differences behind the plastics.
Remember to walk test all zones and siren test regularly.
The reason pros wont fit yale and other unapproved equipment is there is comeback on us when it fails to perform.
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