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This is nothing to do with any company that might trade under that name but the practice of some dealers to sell some cars as " trade sales " to the general public.
I've just bought a mark VI Golf Gti from a dealer at a very good price. Took it for an extended test drive and all seems fine. MOT history is good and there is a full service history. I have no qualms about buying the car but does anyone here have any experiences of buying like this, good or bad, I would be interested to know.
Also I understand I will still be protected under the consumer rights act 2015, is this correct ? The invoice I have makes no mention that this was a trade sale.
I've just bought a mark VI Golf Gti from a dealer at a very good price. Took it for an extended test drive and all seems fine. MOT history is good and there is a full service history. I have no qualms about buying the car but does anyone here have any experiences of buying like this, good or bad, I would be interested to know.
Also I understand I will still be protected under the consumer rights act 2015, is this correct ? The invoice I have makes no mention that this was a trade sale.
Some dealers sell cars like this to try and avoid any comeback from people who know their consumer rights.
The whole trade sale, no warranty, sold as seen bulls
t does not hold up in court, but the dealers count on it never getting that far.
They are usually selling u what they know is a potential problem car for below market price. If you are happy to accept the conditions of so called trade sale then make sure you stick to your end of the bargain when you find the problems.
You got a cheap car for a reason.
The whole trade sale, no warranty, sold as seen bulls
t does not hold up in court, but the dealers count on it never getting that far.They are usually selling u what they know is a potential problem car for below market price. If you are happy to accept the conditions of so called trade sale then make sure you stick to your end of the bargain when you find the problems.
You got a cheap car for a reason.
Makes me laugh how many dealers do the old trade sale to the public thing. I think they can just offload a vehicle and ignore any issues.
Obviously, issues need to be relevant to the price paid and the age of the vehicle etc.
I looked at a car on eBay the other day and the trader had pretty much written an essay about it being trade sale.
Personally, I'd avoid anything advertised in this way.
Obviously, issues need to be relevant to the price paid and the age of the vehicle etc.
I looked at a car on eBay the other day and the trader had pretty much written an essay about it being trade sale.
Personally, I'd avoid anything advertised in this way.
Dinoboy said:
Any trader can ensure a trade sale by disposing of stock through trade contacts or offloading cars at auction. Anything sold to the general public comes with obligations that the vehicle must be fit for purpose. I don't understand why some do it.
Not quite, can be sold to public as Spares or Repairs and uplifted from the trader, not driven away. Dinoboy said:
Any trader can ensure a trade sale by disposing of stock through trade contacts or offloading cars at auction. Anything sold to the general public comes with obligations that the vehicle must be fit for purpose. I don't understand why some do it.
I understand fully why they do it, I spent 30 years in the business.It's a car they don't want to put their good name to, stand any sort of comeback with.
As said above, don't ever buy these cars, don't ever deal with these traders, you'll find out why they want a "trade sale" after you've bought it.
They try to fob people off with "trade sale" and some will just accept it.
But it'll have no meaning in court. Trade sale only applies if it's to another trader.
This subject boils my pee, gives the motor trade it's bad name.
I bought a car retail earlier in the year for my wife, garage I bought it from put ‘trade sale’ on the invoice, didn’t matter to me for two reasons.
1. I didn’t want their useless (IMO) warranty
2. If it had been a lemon, the ‘trade sale’ wording means nothing anyway, as I bought it as a retail customer, not as a trader as I just work for a garage, not run one.
1. I didn’t want their useless (IMO) warranty
2. If it had been a lemon, the ‘trade sale’ wording means nothing anyway, as I bought it as a retail customer, not as a trader as I just work for a garage, not run one.
Thanks for your replies.
I'm picking the car up on Wednesday so I will ask the dealer why it's up for a trade sale. It's a garage local to me and they sell cars up to £40,000 and I've never seen another car there sold as trade.
Will update this thread if ( when ? ) I get any problems and the dealer's reaction when I go back citing the consumer legislation.
I'm picking the car up on Wednesday so I will ask the dealer why it's up for a trade sale. It's a garage local to me and they sell cars up to £40,000 and I've never seen another car there sold as trade.
Will update this thread if ( when ? ) I get any problems and the dealer's reaction when I go back citing the consumer legislation.
I'd just avoid it to be honest. Although you have the law on your side regarding certain rights, if the dealer doesn't play ball it can be a pain going through the court process. That's why most people give up.
Best thing to do is to not entertain these sort of adverts in the first place.
Best thing to do is to not entertain these sort of adverts in the first place.
Bennyjames28 said:
The whole trade sale, no warranty, sold as seen bullst does not hold up in court, but the dealers count on it never getting that far.
Some places only offer trade sale stuff to genuine trade buyers, and anyone can sell a car without a warranty. t does not hold up in court, but the dealers count on it never getting that far.As others have said, If a buyer has any doubts over a seller wording stuff in this way why would you ever consider purchasing ? Going ahead on the basis that you have consumer rights and nothing else has got to be a pretty dumb thing to do ?
Pistonheader101 said:
Carswithnoreservereading on eBay is trade sale to customers.
Some good bargains to be had and their disclaimer is quite clear and would probably hold up in court.
I can't see anything about after sales, just loads of stuff about fully checking etc before sale, they still have legal obligations.Some good bargains to be had and their disclaimer is quite clear and would probably hold up in court.
Pistonheader101 said:
Carswithnoreservereading on eBay is trade sale to customers.
Some good bargains to be had and their disclaimer is quite clear and would probably hold up in court.
I'd love to see it tested.Some good bargains to be had and their disclaimer is quite clear and would probably hold up in court.
Buyers rights, and the sales of goods act cannot be over ridden if a trader sells to a member of the public.
Pistonheader101 said:
Carswithnoreservereading on eBay is trade sale to customers.
Some good bargains to be had and their disclaimer is quite clear and would probably hold up in court.
I've seen these ads, and I agree people know exactly what they're buying.Some good bargains to be had and their disclaimer is quite clear and would probably hold up in court.
But the serious side of it is,
They are selling unchecked vehicles to the public.
These cars can be doing 70mph down a motorway within minutes of them leaving.
A bad cut on a tyre? A brake fluid leak?
Could easily lead to someones death.
Selling a car is serious business, we are talking about peoples safety, and some of these dealers couldn't give less of a s
t.Rant over, but I'm ex motor trade, and ex plod, I've seen the worst of this in real life.
Edited by Trevor555 on Tuesday 1st January 02:00
sunbeam alpine said:
Posts like this explain why most garages just dump their trade-ins via auctions.
In the past, it was possible to pick up cars for peanuts - my best buy was a Renault 5 for £50.
These days, you just can't find bargains like this from a garage.
Too true - for the right price I wouldn't have an issue buying from a trader and accepting there was no come-back! In the past, it was possible to pick up cars for peanuts - my best buy was a Renault 5 for £50.
These days, you just can't find bargains like this from a garage.
After all how many have posted on here about issues they have had after buying from a trader where the warranty was worse than useless anyway?
Mr Tidy said:
sunbeam alpine said:
Posts like this explain why most garages just dump their trade-ins via auctions.
In the past, it was possible to pick up cars for peanuts - my best buy was a Renault 5 for £50.
These days, you just can't find bargains like this from a garage.
Too true - for the right price I wouldn't have an issue buying from a trader and accepting there was no come-back! In the past, it was possible to pick up cars for peanuts - my best buy was a Renault 5 for £50.
These days, you just can't find bargains like this from a garage.
After all how many have posted on here about issues they have had after buying from a trader where the warranty was worse than useless anyway?
And if someone chooses to sell cars to the public for a living they are deemed professionals and should be making sure they're not endangering lives by letting cars go out with dangerous faults.
I mean, isn't it obvious that some cheap cars get chopped in because they need money spending on them?
And these dealers are just letting them out the door without checking them?
If your mum/dad/son/daughter bought one of these cars and hit a motorway barrier at 70mph on the way home because a bad tyre gave way, how would you feel about that dealer then?
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