COOL CLASSIC CAR SPOTTERS POST! (Vol 3)

COOL CLASSIC CAR SPOTTERS POST! (Vol 3)

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4rephill

3,965 posts

126 months

Friday 22nd November
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LotusOmega375D said:
I don’t think nondescript mid-range 11 year-old BMWs have a thread, do they?
I'm not sure I'd describe an E86 Z4 coupe as "nondescript":


nondescript

adjective
adjective: nondescript; adjective: non-descript

lacking distinctive or interesting features or characteristics

It's one of only 350 3.0 si Coupe's on the road still (making it a lot rarer than the Z4M version, of which there are 830 still on the road), and the coupe was an interesting variation styling variation, based on the Z4 roadster.

At the time of it's launch, it looked like no other manufacturers car - Making it automatically: "distinctive"


Is it a classic? - Technically, not yet, but it will be one day.

Is it cool? - To many, yes it is.

And in my opinion, it's a far more interesting car than some of the cr4p that does supposedly qualify for this thread, purely because they are old now, such as clapped out old Cavaliers, Nova's, Micra's etc., etc., that were sh!t cars when they were new, and are even more sh!t now they're old!

Doofus

10,385 posts

121 months

Friday 22nd November
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4rephill said:
And in my opinion, it's a far more interesting car than some of the cr4p that does supposedly qualify for this thread, purely because they are old now, such as clapped out old Cavaliers, Nova's, Micra's etc., etc., that were sh!t cars when they were new, and are even more sh!t now they're old!
Herein lies my problem with self-proclaimed 'car enthusiasts' for whom anything old has no merit. The Cavaliers, Novas and Micras you list (even without Grocer's apostrophes) are not "Even more st now they're old". They are exactly as st now that they're old as they were when they were new. And that's the point. Technology moves the goalposts, but the old cars remain valid. You may not desire them (I don't want a Cavlier, a Nova or a Micra either), but they aren't any worse today than they were when new.

aeropilot

19,097 posts

175 months

Friday 22nd November
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4rephill said:
and are even more sh!t now they're old!
And when it 40 years old the same can be said of that Z4 in comparison to what will be around in 30 years time.


Dapster

3,316 posts

128 months

Friday 22nd November
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LotusOmega375D said:
I don’t think nondescript mid-range 11 year-old BMWs have a thread, do they?
What on earth happened to "Love Old Classics" who used to periodically post pics of immaculate cars from this decade driving around East Sussex with a caption saying something like "spotted this lovely 2010 Mondeo 2.0 Titanium in Battle on Saturday"?

Edited by Dapster on Friday 22 November 20:23

TR4man

3,468 posts

122 months

Friday 22nd November
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T-195 said:
I have one of these as my daily driver. As much as I love it, even I would struggle to accept it as a classic (yet).

Mr Tidy

9,783 posts

75 months

Saturday 23rd November
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Well an E86 is a "future classic" in any advert!

Maybe they will be, maybe they won't - I don't really care all the time I am enjoying mine. laugh





But in terms of numbers the UK only got about 600 M Coupes, but around 1,600 3.0Si manual Coupes.

aeropilot

19,097 posts

175 months

Saturday 23rd November
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Mr Tidy said:
Well an E86 is a "future classic" in any advert!

Maybe they will be, maybe they won't - I don't really care all the time I am enjoying mine. laugh





But in terms of numbers the UK only got about 600 M Coupes, but around 1,600 3.0Si manual Coupes.
I almost bought one of the last brand new 3.0Si that was sitting in a dealer back in 2009........ paperbag

Rumblestripe

1,302 posts

110 months

Saturday 23rd November
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TR4man said:
T-195 said:
I have one of these as my daily driver. As much as I love it, even I would struggle to accept it as a classic (yet).
A fine looking car and no doubt satisfying/entertaining to drive but a "classic" (as suggested by the thread title) it aint. It's not even extraordinarily well maintained as far as I can tell.

It is difficult to define what a classic car is, or when a car becomes "classic". Distinctiveness and desirability push a vehicle into the category earlier than ubiquity. So a 2000 Audi TT is probably on the cusp of classic status, if it isn't there already, but a 2000 Vauxhall Zafira has a long way to go. But if you attend classic car shows you will know that things like a Viva HC attract a lot of interest and affection so the Zafira will get there. Some clever chap/lady somewhere needs to create a mathematical formula to test for Classic status.

Gojira

622 posts

71 months

Saturday 23rd November
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Rumblestripe said:
A fine looking car and no doubt satisfying/entertaining to drive but a "classic" (as suggested by the thread title) it aint. It's not even extraordinarily well maintained as far as I can tell.

It is difficult to define what a classic car is, or when a car becomes "classic". Distinctiveness and desirability push a vehicle into the category earlier than ubiquity. So a 2000 Audi TT is probably on the cusp of classic status, if it isn't there already, but a 2000 Vauxhall Zafira has a long way to go. But if you attend classic car shows you will know that things like a Viva HC attract a lot of interest and affection so the Zafira will get there. Some clever chap/lady somewhere needs to create a mathematical formula to test for Classic status.
It is my carefully considered opinion that "What is a Classic Car?" is a question much like "What is Science Fiction?" biggrin

There are more definitions than there are fans of either, but everyone knows what they are when they see them!

In both cases, the discussion and friendly argument are all part of the fun...

That's my opinion, and it is worth exactly what you have paid for it thumbup

Doofus

10,385 posts

121 months

Saturday 23rd November
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Gojira said:
Rumblestripe said:
A fine looking car and no doubt satisfying/entertaining to drive but a "classic" (as suggested by the thread title) it aint. It's not even extraordinarily well maintained as far as I can tell.

It is difficult to define what a classic car is, or when a car becomes "classic". Distinctiveness and desirability push a vehicle into the category earlier than ubiquity. So a 2000 Audi TT is probably on the cusp of classic status, if it isn't there already, but a 2000 Vauxhall Zafira has a long way to go. But if you attend classic car shows you will know that things like a Viva HC attract a lot of interest and affection so the Zafira will get there. Some clever chap/lady somewhere needs to create a mathematical formula to test for Classic status.
It is my carefully considered opinion that "What is a Classic Car?" is a question much like "What is Science Fiction?" biggrin

There are more definitions than there are fans of either, but everyone knows what they are when they see them!

In both cases, the discussion and friendly argument are all part of the fun...

That's my opinion, and it is worth exactly what you have paid for it thumbup
'Classic' can only be a definition based on age. As soon as you try to define classic using desirability as a criterion, everyone disagrees.

Few people, me included, would argue that a Morris Minor isn't a classic. I don't like them, and I don't want one, but that doesn't mean I don't think of it as a classic car.


Rumblestripe

1,302 posts

110 months

Saturday 23rd November
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Doofus said:
Gojira said:
Rumblestripe said:
A fine looking car and no doubt satisfying/entertaining to drive but a "classic" (as suggested by the thread title) it aint. It's not even extraordinarily well maintained as far as I can tell.

It is difficult to define what a classic car is, or when a car becomes "classic". Distinctiveness and desirability push a vehicle into the category earlier than ubiquity. So a 2000 Audi TT is probably on the cusp of classic status, if it isn't there already, but a 2000 Vauxhall Zafira has a long way to go. But if you attend classic car shows you will know that things like a Viva HC attract a lot of interest and affection so the Zafira will get there. Some clever chap/lady somewhere needs to create a mathematical formula to test for Classic status.
It is my carefully considered opinion that "What is a Classic Car?" is a question much like "What is Science Fiction?" biggrin

There are more definitions than there are fans of either, but everyone knows what they are when they see them!

In both cases, the discussion and friendly argument are all part of the fun...

That's my opinion, and it is worth exactly what you have paid for it thumbup
'Classic' can only be a definition based on age. As soon as you try to define classic using desirability as a criterion, everyone disagrees.

Few people, me included, would argue that a Morris Minor isn't a classic. I don't like them, and I don't want one, but that doesn't mean I don't think of it as a classic car.
Perhaps there needs to be a financial measure? Values of vehicles go down until they achieve a desirability that rebounds their value through rarity. Moggies are a good example. Through the early 70s you couldn't give them away and then without anyone sounding a bell, values of convertibles started to climb, then travellers before finally the boggo saloons. So age was only part of the equation. Escorts are another good example, two door body shells, mk1s, RS2000s then the mk2s, the four doors, the estates and the boggo 1.3L models. In each case a desirable model is first to stop losing value and then start accumulating it. Porsche 911 is another case 964 models were the poor relation of the family for a long time but now are as desirable as any and undeniably a classic. Targa? No thanks mate. Etc.

It is certainly more complicated than age.

DickyC

35,037 posts

146 months

Sunday 24th November
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How about:



in Didsbury.

/devilsadvocate

aeropilot

19,097 posts

175 months

Sunday 24th November
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DickyC said:
How about:



in Didsbury.
Lovely V4...... cool

Unusual colour as well for a V4.


Pericoloso

41,266 posts

111 months

Sunday 24th November
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aeropilot said:
DickyC said:
How about:



in Didsbury.
Lovely V4...... cool

Unusual colour as well for a V4.
SAAB had some good colours in the 70s and some awful ones in the 80s, "cameo beige" being the latter.

vixen1700

11,532 posts

218 months

Sunday 24th November
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Leytonstone Tesco car-park earlier this afternoon. Sounded lovely when it pulled away. smile

Edited by vixen1700 on Sunday 24th November 16:49

Rumblestripe

1,302 posts

110 months

Sunday 24th November
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DickyC said:
How about:



in Didsbury.

/devilsadvocate
Love it, thought the photo would look good as a "Colour Pop"



Pericoloso

41,266 posts

111 months

Sunday 24th November
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There's hardly any difference ^^^^ in grey Englandtown.....frown

Dominos sign and Jazz rear lights.

DickyC

35,037 posts

146 months

Sunday 24th November
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Despite appearances it did have wheels.

aeropilot

19,097 posts

175 months

Sunday 24th November
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DickyC said:
Despite appearances it did have wheels.
Its wearing a set of the Saab 'Soccerball' alloys.

Doofus

10,385 posts

121 months

Sunday 24th November
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DickyC said:
Despite appearances it did have wheels.
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