COOL CLASSIC CAR SPOTTERS POST! (Vol 3)
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aeropilot said:
And was now the car being used in Motorsport as FiA had banned Group B, so with no Group B the public attention wasn't on the RS200 etc., it was on the Sierra Cosworth, Integrale, E30 M3 etc., so no one wanted something as exotic and complicated and expensive as a Grp B car for the road.
Apart from the hideous to use clutch, they were the dogs danglies though.....still have my original RS200 sales brochure from my blast around Boreham in one in early 1988....and they still had unsold cars left then. I think the last ones left were sold by the end of that year?
Always thought they looked great. Why they only produced and sold the Rally special will remain a mystery, rather than less Hardore versions.Apart from the hideous to use clutch, they were the dogs danglies though.....still have my original RS200 sales brochure from my blast around Boreham in one in early 1988....and they still had unsold cars left then. I think the last ones left were sold by the end of that year?
As you probably know they were built by the design company Pininfarina and not Lancia with much debate about branding finally settled by Agnelli one Sunday after lunch.
So they were Pininfarina branded cars on the Friday and Lancia on Monday morning.
And was going to be a Fiat X1/20 (the 124 coupe's replacement) before that.
aeropilot said:
rjg48 said:
Why they only produced and sold the Rally special will remain a mystery, rather than less Hardore versions.
Not sure what you mean by that.Most of those sold outside of the competition cars, were indeed the standard 250hp road spec cars.
Or the Citroen BX4TC.
Or The Lancia 037.
My point was it would have sold better than it wasn't just the Rally Special.
rjg48 said:
aeropilot said:
rjg48 said:
Why they only produced and sold the Rally special will remain a mystery, rather than less Hardore versions.
Not sure what you mean by that.Most of those sold outside of the competition cars, were indeed the standard 250hp road spec cars.
Or the Citroen BX4TC.
Or The Lancia 037.
My point was it would have sold better than it wasn't just the Rally Special.
rjg48 said:
Stratos aside, it was very unusual for Ford to launch a Homologation Special as a new model in their range.
I shall leave you to it.
Now I'm confused. The Stratos wasn't a Ford. It's unusual for any manufacturer to launch a 'Homologation Special' to their range because of the very purpose of homologation.I shall leave you to it.
Doofus said:
rjg48 said:
Stratos aside, it was very unusual for Ford to launch a Homologation Special as a new model in their range.
I shall leave you to it.
Now I'm confused. The Stratos wasn't a Ford. It's unusual for any manufacturer to launch a 'Homologation Special' to their range because of the very purpose of homologation.I shall leave you to it.
I'm guessing he means, homolgation special that was not a homolgation special of an existing model, but a pure made for competition car, as per the Stratos.
In which case, Lancia got the idea from Ford, as Ford designed the GT70 specifically for rallying, but it wasn't significantly better than the Escort Twin Cam/BDA so they stayed with developing the Escort as it was cheaper than building lots of GT70's.
Shame as the GT70 was a great looking car.
In many way thought Alpine with the A110 was a built for competition car that was not based on a similar model, so there's more than one precident to the RS200.
In which case, Lancia got the idea from Ford, as Ford designed the GT70 specifically for rallying, but it wasn't significantly better than the Escort Twin Cam/BDA so they stayed with developing the Escort as it was cheaper than building lots of GT70's.
Shame as the GT70 was a great looking car.
In many way thought Alpine with the A110 was a built for competition car that was not based on a similar model, so there's more than one precident to the RS200.
LotusOmega375D said:
Yes was a confusing exchange. I am pretty sure the A110 was a road car primarily.
Just looked it up and yes, and the A110 was developed out of the A108 which didn't really look a lot different and dates back to 1957 which I didn't know (before my time!)The Ford GT70 then was the first purpose design from scratch rally car, even though they didn't end up continuing with it.
finlo said:
As you probably know they were built by the design company Pininfarina and not Lancia with much debate about branding finally settled by Agnelli one Sunday after lunch.
So they were Pininfarina branded cars on the Friday and Lancia on Monday morning.
And was going to be a Fiat X1/20 (the 124 coupe's replacement) before that.
Absolutely.So they were Pininfarina branded cars on the Friday and Lancia on Monday morning.
And was going to be a Fiat X1/20 (the 124 coupe's replacement) before that.
I wonder if there is another car which has had the potential to be named 3 completely different brands ( Fiat, Pininfarina, Lancia ) ?
rjg48 said:
aeropilot said:
I'm guessing he means, homolgation special that was not a homolgation special of an existing model, but a pure made for competition car, as per the Stratos.
Precisely.rjg48 said:
aeropilot said:
But all the awd Group B cars except the Sport Quattro were exactly that, as was the Lancia 037. Designed from scratch for one thing only.
Monte Carlo based rally car.These cars were not based on anything from a production car, and only used a few bits of trim and what not. Just as the RS200 did from the Ford parts bin. In fact the RS200 used more production bits than the GT70 did.
And again, the Stratos used quite a lot of Fiat and Lancia bits from various models as well.
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