Fuel unfrozen....

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Gerradi

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1,522 posts

119 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Rumours abound that the Chancellor may consider scrapping the fuel duty escalator freeze ?

All in the name of CC no doubt ...

robbieduncan

1,980 posts

235 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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This is what was voted for. OK you had to read between the lines a bit but if you have a manifesto promising no rises in income tax, VAT or NI yet spending lots of money and announcing an “end to austerity” there had to be a tax rise somewhere. If you voted conservative this is on you!

untakenname

4,953 posts

191 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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The first time the conservatives got in back in 2010 they had in their manifesto to raise speed limits to 80mph on Motorways but instead they implemented more reductions in speed limits than labour did in the previous term.


sherbertdip

1,097 posts

118 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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untakenname said:
The first time the conservatives got in back in 2010 they had in their manifesto to raise speed limits to 80mph on Motorways but instead they implemented more reductions in speed limits than labour did in the previous term.
Not sure what that has to do with fuel duty.

Also are you sure any government dictates speed reductions on a road or is that not for local/regional councils and I'm sure the Tories in 2010 didn't reduce motorway speed limits.

As for fuel duty, well it's no surprise really.

TeaNoSugar

1,229 posts

164 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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robbieduncan said:
This is what was voted for. OK you had to read between the lines a bit but if you have a manifesto promising no rises in income tax, VAT or NI yet spending lots of money and announcing an “end to austerity” there had to be a tax rise somewhere. If you voted conservative this is on you!
To be fair I think this was on the cards regardless of who you voted for. The zero emissions/net zero policies are pretty much settled, by weight of public opinion - any government would be stupid to start swimming against the tide at this point.

A Winner Is You

24,942 posts

226 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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TeaNoSugar said:
robbieduncan said:
This is what was voted for. OK you had to read between the lines a bit but if you have a manifesto promising no rises in income tax, VAT or NI yet spending lots of money and announcing an “end to austerity” there had to be a tax rise somewhere. If you voted conservative this is on you!
To be fair I think this was on the cards regardless of who you voted for. The zero emissions/net zero policies are pretty much settled, by weight of public opinion - any government would be stupid to start swimming against the tide at this point.
Just imagine what a Labour government would have done....

Spidersleg

676 posts

82 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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A Winner Is You said:
Just imagine what a Labour government would have done....
Free petrol and diesel?

menousername

2,107 posts

141 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Hmmm.... so as we move off more economical diesel back into petrol, fuel duty unfreezes

We seem to be banking an awful lot on economic stability that might not be there in 12 months time


321boost

1,253 posts

69 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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My hope is that hopefully they do unfreeze it, then I hope they hike it by a massive amount and this I hope results in something similar to the protests in France.


But one can only hope...

oyster

12,577 posts

247 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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sherbertdip said:
untakenname said:
The first time the conservatives got in back in 2010 they had in their manifesto to raise speed limits to 80mph on Motorways but instead they implemented more reductions in speed limits than labour did in the previous term.
Not sure what that has to do with fuel duty.

Also are you sure any government dictates speed reductions on a road or is that not for local/regional councils and I'm sure the Tories in 2010 didn't reduce motorway speed limits.

As for fuel duty, well it's no surprise really.
And it’s a moot point as we didn’t get a Conservative government anyway in 2010, we had a coalition. Manifesto is trumped by a Coalition Agreement in that scenario.

Gecko1978

9,603 posts

156 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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it might encourage take up of EVs the problem is fuel rises hit the poorest the hardest as it affects all cost given food an other goods tend to get to shops in lorries and not on the back of fair trade unicorns that only eat fairy dust.

HS2 my guess is Borris Vanity project 100bn biggest project in europe, it will create 1000s of jobs building it and then much like channel tunnel and M6toll not make a profit because its to expensive to use.

Also who wants to live in Birmingham and work in london even if the train takes 20 mins less

321boost

1,253 posts

69 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Gecko1978 said:
it might encourage take up of EVs the problem is fuel rises hit the poorest the hardest as it affects all cost given food an other goods tend to get to shops in lorries and not on the back of fair trade unicorns that only eat fairy dust.

HS2 my guess is Borris Vanity project 100bn biggest project in europe, it will create 1000s of jobs building it and then much like channel tunnel and M6toll not make a profit because its to expensive to use.

Also who wants to live in Birmingham and work in london even if the train takes 20 mins less
Yeah more take up of EVs, until the fuel duty on electricity is ramped up to current levels of petrol/diesel I.e. 57p+ And some tax per miles policy. Everyone will be paying more to use their fridge. hehe

oyster

12,577 posts

247 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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321boost said:
Gecko1978 said:
it might encourage take up of EVs the problem is fuel rises hit the poorest the hardest as it affects all cost given food an other goods tend to get to shops in lorries and not on the back of fair trade unicorns that only eat fairy dust.

HS2 my guess is Borris Vanity project 100bn biggest project in europe, it will create 1000s of jobs building it and then much like channel tunnel and M6toll not make a profit because its to expensive to use.

Also who wants to live in Birmingham and work in london even if the train takes 20 mins less
Yeah more take up of EVs, until the fuel duty on electricity is ramped up to current levels of petrol/diesel I.e. 57p+ And some tax per miles policy. Everyone will be paying more to use their fridge. hehe
Which is where variable road pricing comes in. Not before time either.

jshell

11,006 posts

204 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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321boost said:
Yeah more take up of EVs, until the fuel duty on electricity is ramped up to current levels of petrol/diesel I.e. 57p+ And some tax per miles policy. Everyone will be paying more to use their fridge. hehe
Happening in Norway. Large move to EV's where bridges, ferries, charging, road tax, tolls etc were free for EV's. BEV's are even VAT free. Govt loses a heap of dosh..um, eh, we'll have to reconsider...

https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12544-0...

Triumph Trollomite

5,048 posts

80 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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of course the move to EV will result in methods to entice people but will need a new taxation model - price per mile I imagine.

Wonder how that will factor in for business mileage?

catso

14,772 posts

266 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Triumph Trollomite said:
of course the move to EV will result in methods to entice people but will need a new taxation model - price per mile I imagine.

Wonder how that will factor in for business mileage?
I think we all know the tax take won't decrease, the only way they might make EVs slightly more palatable will be because the tax on fuel will increase at an even more alarming rate.

Whatever the uptake/success of EV/infrastructure etc. the one thing they will have sorted out will be how to charge us for it...

Dont Panic

1,389 posts

50 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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robbieduncan said:
This is what was voted for. If you voted conservative this is on you!
Yeah thatll teach us eh? Voting brexit then voting tory. What were we thinking. rolleyes

A Winner Is You

24,942 posts

226 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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catso said:
Triumph Trollomite said:
of course the move to EV will result in methods to entice people but will need a new taxation model - price per mile I imagine.

Wonder how that will factor in for business mileage?
I think we all know the tax take won't decrease, the only way they might make EVs slightly more palatable will be because the tax on fuel will increase at an even more alarming rate.

Whatever the uptake/success of EV/infrastructure etc. the one thing they will have sorted out will be how to charge us for it...
Or they'll tax them because of the pollution from brake dust and tyre debris. Already seen a few articles creeping out on this, so likely it will be the big discovery that means EVs aren't as good for the environment as we originally thought.

Sophisticated Sarah

15,077 posts

168 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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321boost said:
My hope is that hopefully they do unfreeze it, then I hope they hike it by a massive amount and this I hope results in something similar to the protests in France.


But one can only hope...
Unlike the XR loons, I doubt the protest will be allowed to go on with police protection.

321boost

1,253 posts

69 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Sophisticated Sarah said:
321boost said:
My hope is that hopefully they do unfreeze it, then I hope they hike it by a massive amount and this I hope results in something similar to the protests in France.


But one can only hope...
Unlike the XR loons, I doubt the protest will be allowed to go on with police protection.
33 million full driving licence holders (2018)
Only 10% of the 33 million are more than the 123,000 police officers.

protection? laugh

Only 10-25% of the drivers will be enough to make a policy change, it’s a question of if they can be bothered.