Ultra rare mk 1 Escort at upcoming auction

Ultra rare mk 1 Escort at upcoming auction

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Zener

18,928 posts

220 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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aeropilot said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Of course. Sorry. I was in 1600E mode. First 'E' appeared in 67 on a F suffix.
Yep, along with the X-Flow engine GT that first went on sale in September 1967.
This ^ 1500 GT pre X flow followed by 1600 GT X flow , another ditty the GT pre X flow came factory with the modders fave 28/36 DCD carb with removable choke barrels

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

260 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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Zener said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Of course. Sorry. I was in 1600E mode. First 'E' appeared in 67 on a F suffix.
Early 1600E also inherited the 4 gauges on the dash top from the GT rather than alongside speedo and tacho of later revision car scratchchin


Edited by Zener on Thursday 22 October 17:42
Indeed, series 1 and 2. The raised dials were sunk into the dash on G suffix. I've seen G plate series 1 and 2. Other changes included the seats and centre console and bits of chrome.

pingu393

7,715 posts

204 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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According to the article...

1965-77: Essex V4
1967-83: 711 Kent Crossflow
1970-90: L-88 SOHC "Pinto"
1976-2002: Valencia/Endura E
1980-2004: CVH
1989-2006: I4 2000

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

260 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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My 1600E had a 693 crossflow. What was the difference?

Zener

18,928 posts

220 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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X Flow 711m block wasnt released till early 71 IIRC scratchchin around the same time Ford updated the Essex V6 (bit more HP) D shaped intake ports etc

Hol

8,356 posts

199 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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I always thought the TwinCam was based on the pre-crossflow block and the 'iron' BDA on the Crossflow.


However, I can see why the original poster simply said crossflow, as they aren't dissimilar and both Kent engines and the quote was in relation to the fact that ford supplied the engine blocks to Lotus.

Zener

18,928 posts

220 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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Hol said:
I always thought the TwinCam was based on the pre-crossflow block and the 'iron' BDA on the Crossflow.


However, I can see why the original poster simply said crossflow, as they aren't dissimilar and the quote was in relation to the fact that ford supplied the engine blocks to Lotus.
So did I hence the 1558cc displacement and not X flow 1596/1598/1602cc etc , TC was too early for the X flow revision block

aeropilot

34,296 posts

226 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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Zener said:
X Flow 711m block wasnt released till early 71 IIRC scratchchin around the same time Ford updated the Essex V6 (bit more HP) D shaped intake ports etc
I think it would have been autumn 1970 when the 711M block come in as IIRC, all production Mex's had the 711M block X-Flow and the first Mex's were built in Nov/Dec 1970 at AVO....?

Edited by aeropilot on Friday 23 October 10:36

aeropilot

34,296 posts

226 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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Hol said:
I always thought the TwinCam was based on the pre-crossflow block and the 'iron' BDA on the Crossflow.
Correct.
Lotus engine based on the 1500GT pre-crossflow block.

BDA based on the X-flow block.

Technically the Lotus engine is of course a crossflow head conversion of the pre-crossflow Ford engine, but, its never referred to it as such.

Hol

8,356 posts

199 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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Tyre Smoke said:
My 1600E had a 693 crossflow. What was the difference?
The biggest visible difference was that the 693 had a small combustion chamber in the head and the 711m was flat.

All the Mk2 Cortinas also had a dipstick as part of the front timing case (because of the front bowl sump), whereas all the 711m blocks I fitted for friends, had a hole and small tube in the block near the sump face for the rear bowls of escorts and capril/Cortina 3's.

We got quite adapt in converting 1600e engines to accept 1300 Escort sumps and dipsticks when I was a teen.

Zener

18,928 posts

220 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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aeropilot said:
Zener said:
X Flow 711m block wasnt released till early 71 IIRC scratchchin around the same time Ford updated the Essex V6 (bit more HP) D shaped intake ports etc
I think it would have been autumn 1970 when the 711M block come in as IIRC, all production Mex's had the 711M block X-Flow and the first Mex's were built in Nov/Dec 1970 at AVO....?

Edited by aeropilot on Friday 23 October 10:36
Ah well done knew it was around this area thumbup

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

260 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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Hol said:
Tyre Smoke said:
My 1600E had a 693 crossflow. What was the difference?
The biggest visible difference was that the 693 had a small combustion chamber in the head and the 711m was flat.

All the Mk2 Cortinas also had a dipstick as part of the front timing case (because of the front bowl sump), whereas all the 711m blocks I fitted for friends, had a hole and small tube in the block near the sump face for the rear bowls of escorts and capril/Cortina 3's.

We got quite adapt in converting 1600e engines to accept 1300 Escort sumps and dipsticks when I was a teen.
Thanks! thumbup

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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Couple of Mexicos up for sale in a fortnight at the Silverstone auctions


aeropilot

34,296 posts

226 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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s m said:
Couple of Mexicos up for sale in a fortnight at the Silverstone auctions

Maize one is nice being an early one, and still having the AVO build plate attached with the unit number on.
I can't remember now when they stopped doing that......sometime in early 1971 I think. The unit number was a reference to the number of Type 49 shells supplied by Halewood to AVO, which in this case is quite high for such an early Jan 71 chassis number.

Wonder why its not got any stripes fitted?

I'd have the Tawny Met one those, love that colour, although it looks like the AVO build plate might be missing from that car?

1602Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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Zener said:
aeropilot said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Of course. Sorry. I was in 1600E mode. First 'E' appeared in 67 on a F suffix.
Yep, along with the X-Flow engine GT that first went on sale in September 1967.
This ^ 1500 GT pre X flow followed by 1600 GT X flow , another ditty the GT pre X flow came factory with the modders fave 28/36 DCD carb with removable choke barrels
I ran a 28/36 on a BMW 2002 and it was the best single carb conversion I ever did on an m10 engine.

AL5026

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438 posts

187 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Finishing shortly but it’s got a couple of bidders against each other, it seems.....

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1974-ford-esco...

Zener

18,928 posts

220 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Crazy money I just dont get it confused

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Zener said:
Crazy money I just dont get it confused
Range Rover money. Without the depreciation.

aeropilot

34,296 posts

226 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Zener said:
Crazy money I just dont get it confused
Not really crazy money at all.

As a competition car, you couldn't build one for rallying for anything like that price, so it's a relative bargain in that respect.

However, its neither a full Grp2 works spec car (being a pinto engine) or a pukka Grp1 period RS2000 as it has a big wing shell and other things incorrect, so you would be limited to non-FiA Historic events for using it, but there's enough of those around to have fun in.








Shezbo

594 posts

129 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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aeropilot said:
Not really crazy money at all.

As a competition car, you couldn't build one for rallying for anything like that price, so it's a relative bargain in that respect.

However, its neither a full Grp2 works spec car (being a pinto engine) or a pukka Grp1 period RS2000 as it has a big wing shell and other things incorrect, so you would be limited to non-FiA Historic events for using it, but there's enough of those around to have fun in.
Triggers broom for £63k - crazy money!