Ultra rare mk 1 Escort at upcoming auction

[Mark A S]

Hol said:

Out of interest, what compression are you running?

Not exactly sure, but in the region of 11.5.1 i would say due to the Torque and power it makes.
I checked all the earths previously.

[Zener]

I had the exact same problem with a heavily modded X Flow years ago I was still on the inertia starter exact same issue post build, once started it would fire up all day but lazy like I tried two replacment Lucas reman starters but things remained the same, a bigger ground cable from batt direct to block and even bigger starter cable made little difference I was even melting the live post insulator on the starters due to the load I also had biggest heavy duty batt that would fit the tray, so pretty much had all bases covered finally I changed the ring gear on the flywheel and fitted a Pinto 2.0 pre-engaged unit problem solved this motor also had severe CR 11.5 + IIRC and a big cam heavy dual springs etc , all back in the day of course

Edited by Zener on Thursday 15th April 11:36

[Hol]

I ended up with a big JCB battery mounted in a bespoke tray in the boot over the axel, but a higher powered starter would have been better.

All the paperwork for that engine is long gone with the car, but it was quite a special 2.1 Pinto with stamped numbers matching the head to that exact block and was built by a (Phil?) Jones.

I bought it from someone who's RS2000 was stolen when the engine had been removed for a respray, so Im not sure exactly the name.I do remember it having a 300deg cam in it and standard starters struggled..

[aeropilot]

AL5026 said:

Unusual colour scheme but what’s it going to sell for.....

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2021-0...

It sold today for £43,016.

And the supposed ex-Hannu Mikkola Twin Cam sold for £63,840.....which was probably due to Hannu passing away between the car being first listed back in January, and the auction taking place today, despite all indications this was not the original car in any way.

[Mark A S]

Wow, that's V strong money IMO for both those cars. My RS must be worth squillions now

[Legacywr]

Neither car was original, were they?

Obviously, the RS1600 would have made much more money if it were.

[neutral 3]

Zener said:

Purchased 2 genuine RS3100 front wings from WOW in the late80's IIRC they came from Germany , I remember there being a long delay and he was saying he had health problems

Edited by Zener on Wednesday 20th January 15:03

Would you by any chance have any RS3100 spares left ?
And any photos of your car ?

[Zener]

neutral 3 said:

Zener said:

Purchased 2 genuine RS3100 front wings from WOW in the late80's IIRC they came from Germany , I remember there being a long delay and he was saying he had health problems

Edited by Zener on Wednesday 20th January 15:03

Would you by any chance have any RS3100 spares left ?
And any photos of your car ?

Sadly no most of them all went with the car and my brother parted with all his Capri gen new old stock stuff in the late 00's making a killing I might add

[generationx]

Another '1600 has popped up on C&C:

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1335986

Thoughts from our gratifyingly knowledgeable posters? Pricy?

[aeropilot]

generationx said:

Another '1600 has popped up on C&C:

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1335986

Thoughts from our gratifyingly knowledgeable posters? Pricy?

Oooofffff....... Monza/Electric Blue, my favourite RS1600 colour....

Looks wonderful, and even though its a crap advert for such an expensive car (typically these days) with no interior photos etc., I'd say that's not hugely over priced for a concours show standard RS1600 in a rare colour.

The one I went to see at the dealer in Bucks over the winter was only a few k less money, but no where near as good.
This blue one is probably a genuine £55-60k car in current climate....IMHO.

Edited by aeropilot on Wednesday 5th May 15:43

[Mark A S]

NICE, did i mention i had a monza blue RS1600 way back then

Said it before, out of all the standard AVO Escorts, the RS16 easily had the most character, nippy with very well balanced handling. That car is a Great deal of money, be interesting if it sells around that figure, it looks better than new though.

[Touring442]

That one's been for sale before - I recognise it from somewhere - NEC?

[Legacywr]

Silverstone apparently?

[Mark A S]

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11681572

Apparently stated off life as a "standard" pinto engined MK 2. I am not familiar with that cam cover, any one know what it is ?
120k,,,,,,,,,,, really,,,,,,,,,,, blimy!

And a Mk 1 RS16 https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11681562

[aeropilot]

Mark A S said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11681572
I am not familiar with that cam cover, any one know what it is ?
120k,,,,,,,,,,, really,,,,,,,,,,, blimy!

Cam cover looks like a similar design, but not exactly the same, as the covers used by Zakspeed for their BDA's and derivatives.

120k is a joke, unless it can be proved to be the original shell, and even then, that's very bold pricing....!!

[generationx]

That is a silly load of money.

Is the cam over a Brian Hart item, like this?

http://www.motorsport-items.com/engines/14-brian-h...

[Lester H]

Touring442 said:

Escorts are fun for about 2 hours and then come a bit wearing. My Old Man had a new Mexico around 1972 ish and I can recall the drive from the SW up to Dundee. Jesus Christ, it took forever and damn it was noisy.

Cars like the 2002Tii and the Alfa GTV were a lot more money new but worth less now. Bizarre. Father Touring drove a yellow Tii belonging to a friend around 1974 ish and truly coveted it in that 'I wish I could afford this' way.

Yep. I had an Escort Sport from nearly new(NEC 567P, nice reg from Lakeland Ford) it was a seriously basic Escort ,white with the red stripe and black vinyl seats, like the Pop ,which went a bit faster than a 1.1. Nice faux Minilites, though.Apart from a lovely ‘snick-snick’ gear change a nice RS type wheel and powerful spotlights maybe Hella, but the reflectors soon rusted ilwas really just a very ordinary car of its time : seriously basic compared to the Ghia with its soundproofing and thicker carpets, etc ...arguably a little above average. Ironic now to see it hyped above Avengers, Vauxhall Magnum,Renault 10 Gordini, Fiat Mirafiori etc.

Edited by Lester H on Tuesday 18th May 23:07

Edited by Lester H on Saturday 22 May 16:51

[Legacywr]

It’s not hype, it’s genuine want.

[Hol]

Lester H said:

Touring442 said:

Escorts are fun for about 2 hours and then come a bit wearing. My Old Man had a new Mexico around 1972 ish and I can recall the drive from the SW up to Dundee. Jesus Christ, it took forever and damn it was noisy.

Cars like the 2002Tii and the Alfa GTV were a lot more money new but worth less now. Bizarre. Father Touring drove a yellow Tii belonging to a friend around 1974 ish and truly coveted it in that 'I wish I could afford this' way.

Yep. I had an Escort Sport from nearly new(NEC 567P, nice reg from Lakeland Ford) it was a seriously basic Escort ,white with the red stripe and black vinyl seats, like the Pop ,which went a bit faster than a 1.1. Nice faux Minilites, though.Apart from a lovely ‘snick-snick’ gear change it was really just a very ordinary car of its time : seriously basic compared to the Ghia with its soundproofing and thicker carpets, etc ...arguably a little above average. Ironic now to see it hyped above Avengers, Vauxhall Magnum,Renault 10 Gordini, Fiat Mirafiori etc.

Edited by Lester H on Tuesday 18th May 23:07

That's why everyone and their 18yo kids stuck bigger engines and better suspension on them in the 80's.
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[Shezbo]

Lester H said:

Yep. I had an Escort Sport from nearly new(NEC 567P, nice reg from Lakeland Ford) it was a seriously basic Escort ,white with the red stripe and black vinyl seats, like the Pop ,which went a bit faster than a 1.1. Nice faux Minilites, though.Apart from a lovely ‘snick-snick’ gear change it was really just a very ordinary car of its time : seriously basic compared to the Ghia with its soundproofing and thicker carpets, etc ...arguably a little above average. Ironic now to see it hyped above Avengers, Vauxhall Magnum,Renault 10 Gordini, Fiat Mirafiori etc.

Edited by Lester H on Tuesday 18th May 23:07

You are 100% - I owned in order a Mk1 Escort 1300GT, Mk2 Escort 1600Sport and a Mk2 RS2000. All were basic, all were noisy, all needed a 5 speed gearbox very badly and build quality was also very low rent (the 1600 Sport in particular).

Would I like to own any of them again - probably - however, the VW Golf I owned just few short years later was so much better in every dept.

I can live with the Escort hype, however, I don't 'get' the (very very) silly prices....they are just not worth the money?