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craigjm

17,907 posts

199 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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They can’t win with historical accuracy no how hard they try. There will always be some boring anorak that will be like “oh that car only came out in June 1954 and the scene was meant to be May 1954” and these days that will end up on the daily wail website because they scan the likes of Reddit where such anoraks hang out. I’m not sure this place is big enough to be on their radar.

RichB

51,430 posts

283 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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As I pointed out, they can easily win but they didn't try hard.

TarquinMX5

1,918 posts

79 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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RichB said:
Pica-Pica said:
Blackpuddin said:
Got a bit annoyed when they captioned a scene '1951' and then illustrated that with a Ford Prefect Squire estate which had somehow come at least four years back from the future. But then again I'm quite a sad person.
Indeed, and the Daimler LWH 666 which was still in that scene, was manufactured in 1955, according to GOV.U.K. MOT site
That annoyed me too. You would think the director would intentionally want to use something correct for the era, especially as the Daimler was in the opening 1963 scene which then cuts back to 16 years earlier - 1947. They made no attempt to make the actors look any younger/different and with the Daimler also being the same, it was somewhat confusing as to what era we were meant to be watching for the first 10 mins of the program. With so many classic cars to choose from it seems so lazy. They did it with the train too; the express train (captioned Golden Arrow Boat Train) but apparently heading up to the 'crumbling pile' in Scotland was hauled by a GWR Prairie tank! rofl There are so many preserved locos to chose from, given that they only wanted a 'looking along the top of the loco' shot, they could have used any one of a hundred more suitable engines. Beautiful costumes, lovely scenery but st continuity and props.

Edited by RichB on Thursday 30th December 09:48
Ever thought about getting out more often? wink

I'm sure that there would have been numerous items that weren't truly period; there'll be anoraks from the Doorknocker Club, the 20th-Century Cutlery Club, the Plumbers' Association, the Period Lightbulb Owners' Club etc. all taking to their respective fora to complain, in the strongest possible terms, about the poor production. I probably missed them as I was watching a 'drama' rather than an historical documentary.

Having said that, I didn't know which model Daimler it was, so this has saved me looking it up. I'm not quite so interested in whether the cutlery was a true representation of that used by the Duke and Duchess biggrin



Hoofy

76,253 posts

281 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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TarquinMX5 said:
RichB said:
Pica-Pica said:
Blackpuddin said:
Got a bit annoyed when they captioned a scene '1951' and then illustrated that with a Ford Prefect Squire estate which had somehow come at least four years back from the future. But then again I'm quite a sad person.
Indeed, and the Daimler LWH 666 which was still in that scene, was manufactured in 1955, according to GOV.U.K. MOT site
That annoyed me too. You would think the director would intentionally want to use something correct for the era, especially as the Daimler was in the opening 1963 scene which then cuts back to 16 years earlier - 1947. They made no attempt to make the actors look any younger/different and with the Daimler also being the same, it was somewhat confusing as to what era we were meant to be watching for the first 10 mins of the program. With so many classic cars to choose from it seems so lazy. They did it with the train too; the express train (captioned Golden Arrow Boat Train) but apparently heading up to the 'crumbling pile' in Scotland was hauled by a GWR Prairie tank! rofl There are so many preserved locos to chose from, given that they only wanted a 'looking along the top of the loco' shot, they could have used any one of a hundred more suitable engines. Beautiful costumes, lovely scenery but st continuity and props.

Edited by RichB on Thursday 30th December 09:48
Ever thought about getting out more often? wink

I'm sure that there would have been numerous items that weren't truly period; there'll be anoraks from the Doorknocker Club, the 20th-Century Cutlery Club, the Plumbers' Association, the Period Lightbulb Owners' Club etc. all taking to their respective fora to complain, in the strongest possible terms, about the poor production. I probably missed them as I was watching a 'drama' rather than an historical documentary.
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RichB

51,430 posts

283 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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TarquinMX5 said:
Ever thought about getting out more often? wink
I'm fine, thanks for your concern though biggrin

craigjm

17,907 posts

199 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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TarquinMX5 said:
Ever thought about getting out more often? wink

I'm sure that there would have been numerous items that weren't truly period; there'll be anoraks from the Doorknocker Club, the 20th-Century Cutlery Club, the Plumbers' Association, the Period Lightbulb Owners' Club etc. all taking to their respective fora to complain, in the strongest possible terms, about the poor production. I probably missed them as I was watching a 'drama' rather than an historical documentary.

Having said that, I didn't know which model Daimler it was, so this has saved me looking it up. I'm not quite so interested in whether the cutlery was a true representation of that used by the Duke and Duchess biggrin
Exactly this. Its not a historical documentary

LotusOmega375D

7,580 posts

152 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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Louis Balfour said:
DKL said:
As importantly was that a Riva they had on the loch? It looked really very nice although I'm not sure it is the best choice for that part of the world most of the time.
Chris Craft.

Yes I think all Rivas of the era were LHD.

BNW

12 posts

83 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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234sapphire said:
It's a DB18 Hooper Empress. I bought one once from a mill in Yorkshire for £1100. Very high quality coach built car!
Not quite. It’s a DF304 which has a larger engine (3.5) and slightly different chassis than the DB18 (2.5)
This is a DB18 Empress.
Notice the smaller, less airy body.

Blackpuddin

16,409 posts

204 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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craigjm said:
TarquinMX5 said:
Ever thought about getting out more often? wink

I'm sure that there would have been numerous items that weren't truly period; there'll be anoraks from the Doorknocker Club, the 20th-Century Cutlery Club, the Plumbers' Association, the Period Lightbulb Owners' Club etc. all taking to their respective fora to complain, in the strongest possible terms, about the poor production. I probably missed them as I was watching a 'drama' rather than an historical documentary.

Having said that, I didn't know which model Daimler it was, so this has saved me looking it up. I'm not quite so interested in whether the cutlery was a true representation of that used by the Duke and Duchess biggrin
Exactly this. Its not a historical documentary
If you can't be a motoring anorak on here though, where can you be? biggrin
In all seriousness I really wish this sort of thing didn't bother me, and of course it doesn't really in the general scheme of things, but mis-steps mess up the flow of a film for me because I spend the next five minutes gently gnashing my teeth.
Somebody on that production was tasked with the job of getting period cars. They did, but they didn't get period correct cars. As others have pointed out it wouldn't have been any harder to get it right than to get it wrong.

craigjm

17,907 posts

199 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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Blackpuddin said:
craigjm said:
TarquinMX5 said:
Ever thought about getting out more often? wink

I'm sure that there would have been numerous items that weren't truly period; there'll be anoraks from the Doorknocker Club, the 20th-Century Cutlery Club, the Plumbers' Association, the Period Lightbulb Owners' Club etc. all taking to their respective fora to complain, in the strongest possible terms, about the poor production. I probably missed them as I was watching a 'drama' rather than an historical documentary.

Having said that, I didn't know which model Daimler it was, so this has saved me looking it up. I'm not quite so interested in whether the cutlery was a true representation of that used by the Duke and Duchess biggrin
Exactly this. Its not a historical documentary
If you can't be a motoring anorak on here though, where can you be? biggrin
In all seriousness I really wish this sort of thing didn't bother me, and of course it doesn't really in the general scheme of things, but mis-steps mess up the flow of a film for me because I spend the next five minutes gently gnashing my teeth.
Somebody on that production was tasked with the job of getting period cars. They did, but they didn't get period correct cars. As others have pointed out it wouldn't have been any harder to get it right than to get it wrong.
I’m not so bothered about stuff like that. What gets me grinding my teeth is when they are in a location and then they turn the corner and suddenly they are miles away. You see it a lot with films in London. Walk down the street in Mayfair, turn the corner and their in the city etc hehe gets me tutting

LuS1fer

41,083 posts

244 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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craigjm said:
I’m not so bothered about stuff like that. What gets me grinding my teeth is when they are in a location and then they turn the corner and suddenly they are miles away. You see it a lot with films in London. Walk down the street in Mayfair, turn the corner and their in the city etc hehe gets me tutting
Yes, watched a series called The One and, in the penultimate episode, they're in a Range Rover in a pedestrian only area of Cathays Park in Cardiff, drive off and bang, they're in London. No idea why Cardiff only featured in one of 10 episodes and only for 5 minutes.

w1bbles

984 posts

135 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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What amazes me is their access to the real Inverary castle. The current Duke (who I was at school with!) must have known that the TV series would not be kind to his grandparents. Despite that he’s given full access to the castle and its grounds. I guess he’s hoping that the publicity will only bring more paying visitors to Inverary? I love the Chris Craft… I did my PADI course in Inverary a couple of years ago and am thankful that it wasn’t buzzing about overhead as we dived a sewage outlet off the public toilets. Diving in Scotland? Glam.

hidetheelephants

23,735 posts

192 months

Friday 31st December 2021
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w1bbles said:
What amazes me is their access to the real Inverary castle. The current Duke (who I was at school with!) must have known that the TV series would not be kind to his grandparents. Despite that he’s given full access to the castle and its grounds. I guess he’s hoping that the publicity will only bring more paying visitors to Inverary? I love the Chris Craft… I did my PADI course in Inverary a couple of years ago and am thankful that it wasn’t buzzing about overhead as we dived a sewage outlet off the public toilets. Diving in Scotland? Glam.
The fee for hiring the place for filming probably softened the blow; I'd be surprised if there's that much need to encourage tourists, Inverary was always well served with coffin dodger coach tours pre-plague.

Louis Balfour

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26,271 posts

221 months

Friday 31st December 2021
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craigjm said:
I’m not so bothered about stuff like that. What gets me grinding my teeth is when they are in a location and then they turn the corner and suddenly they are miles away. You see it a lot with films in London. Walk down the street in Mayfair, turn the corner and their in the city etc hehe gets me tutting
You are aware that reality and drama are different, right?biggrin

craigjm

17,907 posts

199 months

Friday 31st December 2021
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Louis Balfour said:
craigjm said:
I’m not so bothered about stuff like that. What gets me grinding my teeth is when they are in a location and then they turn the corner and suddenly they are miles away. You see it a lot with films in London. Walk down the street in Mayfair, turn the corner and their in the city etc hehe gets me tutting
You are aware that reality and drama are different, right?biggrin
See my own response above about anoraks and cars

TarquinMX5

1,918 posts

79 months

Friday 31st December 2021
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LotusOmega375D said:
Louis Balfour said:
DKL said:
As importantly was that a Riva they had on the loch? It looked really very nice although I'm not sure it is the best choice for that part of the world most of the time.
Chris Craft.

Yes I think all Rivas of the era were LHD.
I think that's a Chris Craft Capri Runabout (I can't recall from the film whether it was single or double cockpit)

Keeping it on-topic, what's absolutely shocking is that the Producer didn't bother to source a period-correct model as the Capri wasn't introduced until 1955 biggrinbiggrin


Edited by TarquinMX5 on Friday 31st December 15:02

Yertis

18,015 posts

265 months

Friday 31st December 2021
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RichB said:
They did it with the train too; the express train (captioned Golden Arrow Boat Train) but apparently heading up to the 'crumbling pile' in Scotland was hauled by a GWR Prairie tank! rofl There are so many preserved locos to chose from, given that they only wanted a 'looking along the top of the loco' shot, they could have used any one of a hundred more suitable engines.
To be fair to the producers, it was just the same with movies made in the '30s, 40's '50s etc when all they needed to do was pop along to the correct railway line and shoot away – they'd still manage to jumble up footage from the SR/GWR/LMS on a journey from London to Edinburgh.

Pica-Pica

13,620 posts

83 months

Saturday 1st January 2022
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The male character:
Spending money he doesn’t have.
Constantly borrowing.
3 marriages,
That would be leadership material today.