How about a 'period' classics pictures thread

How about a 'period' classics pictures thread

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Mistron

103 posts

165 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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DickyC said:
Comes up as an XK if you quiz it.

A kit wouldn't, I'd venture.
The driver refered to as Christopher Biggins is Hugh McCaig, Patron of Ecurie Ecosse during their C2 days in the '80s and again in their current incarnation. The car is (from memory) an XK140 Roadster which the original owner from Falkirk raced in Scottish events in period. Alastair McCaig has run it at the Bo'ness revival and other events, and Hugh used it at Ingliston years ago.


quiraing

1,649 posts

138 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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cjb1 said:
3 litre Capri for your first car!! Insurance must have been astro-flippin-nomical
Had a 1979 3-litre S Capri (not modified engine, not modified at all officer - honest) - stage 3 200+bhp Essex with Holley 390 carb in 1988, aged 19, 1 yrs NCD, with clean history, £165 a year fully comp. Unfortunately insurance companies have tightened things up a bit since then.

eccles

13,720 posts

221 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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quiraing said:
cjb1 said:
3 litre Capri for your first car!! Insurance must have been astro-flippin-nomical
Had a 1979 3-litre S Capri (not modified engine, not modified at all officer - honest) - stage 3 200+bhp Essex with Holley 390 carb in 1988, aged 19, 1 yrs NCD, with clean history, £165 a year fully comp. Unfortunately insurance companies have tightened things up a bit since then.
To put it in perspective though, how much was your monthly wage then, and then compare it to your wages today.

I can remember paying nearly £300 fully comp for my first car back in the early 80's which was the same as what I earned month.

quiraing

1,649 posts

138 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Think wage at the time aged 19 would have been £350 - £400 a month, was electrical / electronics engineer still living with parents till I was about 20 when went to oil-industry. There were many 3-litre Capris after that one.

Edit - first 1979 T-reg 3-litre-S was written off when some unthinking b*st*rd yokel decided to be driving a tractor-and-trailer round a blind bend when I was coming the other way. Fkn worsel flat-capped retard.

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eccles

13,720 posts

221 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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quiraing said:
Think wage at the time aged 19 would have been £350 - £400 a month, was electrical / electronics engineer still living with parents till I was about 20 when went to oil-industry. There were many 3-litre Capris after that one.

Edit - first 1979 T-reg 3-litre-S was written off when some unthinking b*st*rd yokel decided to be driving a tractor-and-trailer round a blind bend when I was coming the other way. Fkn worsel flat-capped retard.
So to put it into perspective you were spending about half a months wages on insurance, compare that to today, so not all that cheap in grand scheme of things.

na

7,898 posts

233 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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eccles said:
So to put it into perspective you were spending about half a months wages on insurance, compare that to today, so not all that cheap in grand scheme of things.
depends on your monthly wage

in the early eigthies I got £330 a month gross not take home so if your was net you were on a a reasonable wage

eccles

13,720 posts

221 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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na said:
eccles said:
So to put it into perspective you were spending about half a months wages on insurance, compare that to today, so not all that cheap in grand scheme of things.
depends on your monthly wage

in the early eigthies I got £330 a month gross not take home so if your was net you were on a a reasonable wage
My point was that whilst it seems cheap by todays standards, it was still half your take home wage spent on a years car insurance, and not that far off the ratio of today. smile

radlet6

736 posts

173 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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eccles said:
My point was that whilst it seems cheap by todays standards, it was still half your take home wage spent on a years car insurance, and not that far off the ratio of today. smile
No it's not. How many 19 year olds do you know earn over £2000 per month? Because that is what it would have to be for your 2:1 ratio to work; at that is just to insure a 1.1 Saxo, not a 2005 Capri 3000 equivalent.


na

7,898 posts

233 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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in real terms I'd gues that except for insurance for youngsters most things are less expensive now - petrol(?), road tax, insurance, servicing, parts, new cars TVs, white goods, food, beer, ect. ect.

HQB

168 posts

149 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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na said:
epends on your monthly wage

in the early eigthies I got £330 a month gross not take home so if your was net you were on a a reasonable wage
For an earlier comparison, in September 1966 I was just 19 years old and my 1961 Austin Se7en Deluxe was £25/18/6d (£25.92) for fully comprehensive cover against a car bought for £235. At the time a neighbour had a Jaguar E-Type and just for curiosity I asked what that would cost and it was "around £100" which at the time seemed unthinkable. My wages then were £56 per month net. So that seems to make infer that for young people in full time employment, insurance is in real terms much more expensive if premiums are up around £2000 plus that I hear about and the idea of an 19 year old insuring his first car and it being a Jaguar XKR is unthinkable. I would say that it was relatively cheaper back then with entertaining cars that could be driven with enthusiasm on good and relatively uncrowded roads. We were rather lucky in comparison!driving

RichB

51,433 posts

283 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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HQB said:
I would say that it was relatively cheaper back then with entertaining cars that could be driven with enthusiasm on good and relatively uncrowded roads. We were rather lucky in comparison!driving
I think so too, back in the early '70s when I was 18 my MGA 1600 cost around £75 year to insure when I was earning around £120/mth after tax.

radlet6

736 posts

173 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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I agree. My first ever car at 17 in 1977 was a Rover 2000 SC. I can't remeber how much to insure, but it was afforfable.

I too had a Capri 3000E at 18, an XJ 12 at 20 and a Pontiac Firebird Trans Am (6.6 litre) at 21. The last two insured fully comp; all affordable.

cjb1

2,000 posts

150 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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I know I'm going to get told off for hijacking this thread but here goes. I'm currently looking for insurance for a car for two of my kids, they are buying it between them.

The car: A VW Golf 1.6 SE valued at £2500.00

I went on moneysupermarket.com and got the following annual premium quotes:

1: For myself (55 yrs w/ 3 points), my son (21 yrs, full UK licence 6 points) & daughter (17, provisional)= £570.00.
2: For myself (55 yrs), my son (21 yrs, full UK licence & daughter (17, Full UK)= £630.00.
3: Add the wife (53, provisional) to number one above and it drops by 27% to £418!!!!!

Just thought I would mention it to help anyone looking for cheaper motor insurance for young drivers.......

na

7,898 posts

233 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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are you saying you and/or your wife are fronting for your offspring?

insurance should go in the name of the main user with others added if allowed

adding a spouse, if their record isn't too bad, will often lower premiums

comparision sites may not give the best premiums for anything outside of the usual (family car for usual use of experienced drivers)

john2443

6,325 posts

210 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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My first car was a MK1 Escort 1300 in 1979, insurance was £135 and salary was £340 a month before tax, maybe £280 a month after tax (guess), so about 2 weeks pay to insure. No no-claims, no other driver.

We just got a quote for my diesel commuting hack for me, SWMBO and 17yo daughter - £1500, that's atificially low for duaghter as I'd be the main user and she can use it if I'm not. If she got a job she'd get (guess???) 15k, so say 1000 a month take home therefore 6 weeks salary to pay that insurance, and that's taking the best options of car insured for me and probably generous estimate of salary.

If she had to insure her own car it would probably cost £3000 and if she only earned £500 a month then that's 6 months worth. I think I'll buy her a push bike!

cjb1

2,000 posts

150 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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na said:
are you saying you and/or your wife are fronting for your offspring?

insurance should go in the name of the main user with others added if allowed

adding a spouse, if their record isn't too bad, will often lower premiums

comparision sites may not give the best premiums for anything outside of the usual (family car for usual use of experienced drivers)
No not fronting for the kids at all, just giving them the benefit of using the car when absolutely necessary. I used to have a Jag X Type estate until I started a new job with a company car recently, an Audi A5, company policy forbids pets in the car so we bought the old Golf for carting the family hound around (a large soft lump of a labrador). Our son has built a very quick Corsa that's also very tidy indeed, it's getting hibernated for winter so on the odd ocassion he needs to get somewhere without a bus route he'll get to use the VeeDub. Our daughter is learning to drive, this car means less spent on driving lessons or hiring dual controlled cars to practice in (company also forbids provisional drivers) The wife has never learned to drive and is planning on having a go at it so the old VW will double up as a practice car for her too. This is genuinely a family car and not a front for any one of us in particular, the owner, me, will bethe genuine policy holder, now I do realise that you we're just messing with me but hopefully I've put the record straight..

The Don of Croy

5,976 posts

158 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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cjb1 said:
No not fronting for the kids at all, just giving them the benefit of using the car when absolutely necessary. I used to have a Jag X Type estate until I started a new job with a company car recently, an Audi A5, company policy forbids pets in the car so we bought the old Golf for carting the family hound around (a large soft lump of a labrador). Our son has built a very quick Corsa that's also very tidy indeed, it's getting hibernated for winter so on the odd ocassion he needs to get somewhere without a bus route he'll get to use the VeeDub. Our daughter is learning to drive, this car means less spent on driving lessons or hiring dual controlled cars to practice in (company also forbids provisional drivers) The wife has never learned to drive and is planning on having a go at it so the old VW will double up as a practice car for her too. This is genuinely a family car and not a front for any one of us in particular, the owner, me, will bethe genuine policy holder, now I do realise that you we're just messing with me but hopefully I've put the record straight..
Perhaps the labrador should be the named user?

cjb1

2,000 posts

150 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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The Don of Croy said:
cjb1 said:
No not fronting for the kids at all, just giving them the benefit of using the car when absolutely necessary. I used to have a Jag X Type estate until I started a new job with a company car recently, an Audi A5, company policy forbids pets in the car so we bought the old Golf for carting the family hound around (a large soft lump of a labrador). Our son has built a very quick Corsa that's also very tidy indeed, it's getting hibernated for winter so on the odd ocassion he needs to get somewhere without a bus route he'll get to use the VeeDub. Our daughter is learning to drive, this car means less spent on driving lessons or hiring dual controlled cars to practice in (company also forbids provisional drivers) The wife has never learned to drive and is planning on having a go at it so the old VW will double up as a practice car for her too. This is genuinely a family car and not a front for any one of us in particular, the owner, me, will bethe genuine policy holder, now I do realise that you we're just messing with me but hopefully I've put the record straight..
Perhaps the labrador should be the named user?
Excellent idea, that would totally confuse the customer services line in Bombay!

na

7,898 posts

233 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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sorry I was rushing, I didn't mean it to come out so sharp

as for the learning to drive remember too much self teaching or learning from non-professionals can lead to bad habits

and as for teaching or learning to drive from another family member

argue

punch

LordBretSinclair

4,285 posts

176 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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I may have posted this picture before but someone's got to get this thread back on track irked


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