RE: Jaguar F-Type 2.0 vs. Porsche 718 Cayman

RE: Jaguar F-Type 2.0 vs. Porsche 718 Cayman

Monday 21st August 2017

Jaguar F-Type 2.0 vs. Porsche 718 Cayman

Both have 2.0-litres, four cylinders and 300hp - but which is the best sports car? (Now with vid)



Between the various stories concerning the four-cylinder F-Type and 718 Cayman, more than 620 comments have been posted on PistonHeads. For reasons emotional, financial and ideological, it seems these are sports cars people can't help but talk about. So if an opportunity arose to pitch the two together, the pair that have so much to prove with four cylinders, having charmed plenty with six (or more), you'd do everything to make it happen, wouldn't you?

Place your bets...
Place your bets...
The original launch for the F-Type 2.0 wasn't brilliant, in all honesty. Hence a UK launch soon after, based around the magnificent roads of North Wales. It remains the perfect place to compare two sports cars; with the attendance of one guaranteed, it simply required getting the other contender along and gatecrashing the launch...

Leaving Goodwood far closer to 5pm than planned - long story - the Porsche 718 Cayman feels like a very good place to be. Somewhere far later than 10pm in Llanymynech, it still feels like a very good place to be. There are more details to discuss in due course but it feels rapid (with a fantastic manual gearbox), delightfully agile (when any cornering opportunities emerge) and really rather civilised, though how a car in excess of £50,000 in 2017 can come without DAB remains a mystery. Why you would equip one of these 718 Porsches with a sports exhaust baffles as well, but that's a point to return to.

Kerb appeal
Despite a lack of phone signal on the day, our plan to get the cars together in Llangynog works. And while the focus is on the driving, it's interesting to stand and compare the two stationary for a couple of minutes. Arguably if you're not buying these two for superstar engines anymore, they have to impress elsewhere with their sports car sense of occasion. The Cayman is compact and pretty, the shape familiar but very nicely executed. Is it an improvement on the pre-718 cars though?

Course it still looks good. Really, really good actually
Course it still looks good. Really, really good actually
The F-Type is no less common, yet the drama hasn't evaporated. In Ultra Blue with Siena Tan leather it oozes class, sporty and stylish and everything we've come to expect from the hardtop F-Type. Indeed one passer-by is surprised to find it's 'only' £50K, his initial guess somewhere near £200,000; he shows no interest in the Porsche.

The good news continues inside the Jaguar - it has DAB! Dan has it set to Radio 6 though. Shame. Still, no mind, because the B4391 leads out of Llanmynech and Dan is wasting no time in getting reacquainted with the Porsche. You know what though? The Jag is with it. You have to be mindful of its size - this remains an F-Type, regardless of the engine - but there's a resolve, precision and assuredness to the dynamics of this car unknown to its stablemates. While the lairiness of F-Types can be deeply endearing, they've never felt like sports cars to truly attack a B-road in. The 2.0-litre is different, the front end grippy and eager to turn in and the rear faithfully following.

As for the engine, let's not beat about the bush: this Ingenium turbo won't be remembered as one of the world's greatest four-cylinders - it's hard to think of any of the current crop that will. What it is however, when combined with the standard eight-speed auto, is interactive and engaging. On a B-road you're using meaningful amounts of third, fourth and fifth, the exhaust parps are entertaining and the shifts quick. Perhaps it's a cynical move to help acceleration, but it does help the car feel more alive. Proof of that? The Cayman is pulling 80mph at the top of second; third in the F-Type is done by a little over 70...

This one drives very nicely too!
This one drives very nicely too!
Swapsies
By the time we change (the Porsche needs fuel), the Jaguar has made a very favourable impression. F-Types tend to, though that's usually because they've made some rude noises, gone very fast and made you look fairly heroic with that dab of oppo. This Jag is different because it's impressed with how well it's dealt with a B-road, and how much fun the driver has had - despite not one degree of corrective lock, honest.

Crikey this Porsche is good though; it takes all of three corners on a decent road to prove that. Lost in the furore over the engine change is the fact that this is still a Cayman, a car that's been raved about for 12 years and two generations now, and which could probably still be tremendous fun with an actual Beetle engine in it.

How can more sports cars not be like this? It's low and lithe, scything through bends where the Jag may have taken a split second to settle itself. On the optional PASM dampers the Cayman rides more fluidly yet shows greater control than the Jaguar despite its bigger wheels. Its electric steering is a fraction more natural in its response than the Jaguar's, adding to the confidence you have in its abilities. There's so much about this 718 Cayman that makes it such a great sports car.

As nicely as the little grey Porsche though? Hmm...
As nicely as the little grey Porsche though? Hmm...
Or rather, such a great sports car with ear plugs in. I've been a firm advocate of the flat-four turbos actually, primarily for their incredible throttle response and energy at high revs, but there can be no escaping the fact that the noise simply isn't very nice. The problem is exacerbated here by the sports exhaust, too. And while the Jaguar 2.0-litre isn't exactly a Honda K20 for acoustics, its sound is more pleasant.

Turbo time
Trouble is the turbo has made the Cayman a better car to drive. Seriously. It's probably not desirable to say so, but the old 2.7-litre Cayman was not an amazing sports car - even Chris Harris admitted as much. It didn't have the muscle to either pull its gear ratios convincingly or make the most of its marvellous chassis. Now, however, the turbo torque really lets you exploit the chassis' talents; moreover, without the need to chase every last rev for performance, you can change up at middling revs - using that fabulous gearbox more - and not feel like you've missed out on as much as you did previously.

You can see how this became a really interesting comparison. Switching from one to the other revealed the various strengths and weaknesses of both cars, and probably would have continued to do so for longer. On the B4391 the other side of Bala, towards Ffestiniog, the cars really get to show off.

"I'm going down the road once more, to be sure..."
"I'm going down the road once more, to be sure..."
In the Jaguar you're braking later, turning harder and back on the throttle sooner than in any other F-Type, safe in the knowledge that it can contain itself. Of course, the cynical riposte is that the power isn't there to challenge the chassis (or indeed just the chunky rubber), but the newfound accuracy and precision of the 2.0-litre proffers its own satisfaction. Concerns raised while yobbing about on the launch about a missing LSD don't reappear in Wales, the Torque Vectoring by Braking does a very good job of keeping the car on line and maximising traction. And making the rear brakes pong...

The Porsche? Sublime. It just is. The balance was always there but now the turbo engine gives you options in the corners and more punch down the straights. It's light on its feet, focused without being frantic and, to be honest, all the better for having a manual gearbox here.

Price is right
So how to conclude? The fact remains that, good though the Jaguar is, the Porsche is still the more satisfying, more accomplished sports car. On the other hand, it should be noted this is the closest an F-Type has been to any comparable Porsche from a purely driving perspective, be that a V6 against a Cayman, a V8 against a 911 Carrera or an SVR against a Turbo. That's a considerable achievement.

Both great fun, but one is £10K less than the other
Both great fun, but one is £10K less than the other
Looking at the bigger picture though, which is the car you would want to own? While perhaps a perverse way of looking at things, the Porsche always had more to lose in the engine switch because it was so good before. That the Jaguar has gained so much dynamically compared to a V6 makes the lack of an exciting noise more acceptable; while in the Porsche the turbo has made it more fun, but it's arguably not enough to overlook the noise it makes. Put it this way: in the 718 you're left thinking about the possibility of six cylinders, and how it might improve things, whereas you're left more contented as a driver in the Jaguar. As a product, the F-Type seems to feel more comfortable with four cylinders. But the Porsche is nicer to drive...

The debate could go on for ages, to be frank, but in the comparison there's one deciding factor: price. As tested the F-Type is £63,815, the £10,000 jump from the £53,600 list accounted for largely by the extended leather (£3,050), the seat memory pack (£1,100), 'Climate Pack 2' (£1,380) and the £1,085 Drive Pack. Lots that could be done without, basically, but the Cayman you see here is £53,605. On the day, there's absolutely no way the Jaguar felt £10,000 better. It's sad to boil down the best sorted F-Type yet to a numbers game, but that's how it has to be. You could add PDK to the Porsche for parity with the Jaguar, but taking the sports exhaust off the 718 would mean that automatic only adds £1,100. With the cars at a similar price point, the Jaguar would make a very convincing, deeply appealing, case for itself - with the proviso that they're £7K apart before any extras are added. On this test, however, victory has to go to that devilishly good Porsche.

Watch the rev off here!


JAGUAR F-TYPE 2.0
Engine
: 1,997cc, four-cylinder turbocharged
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 300@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@1,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.7secs
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 'From 1,525kg'
MPG: 39.2 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 163g/km
Price: £53,600 (As tested £63,815 comprised of £730 for Ultra Blue paint, £3,050 for Siena Tan/Cirrus stitch premium leather, £1,085 for Drive Pack, £990 for Meridian sound system, £155 for bright metal pedals, £470 for keyless entry, £265 for illuminated treadplates with Jaguar script, £275 for rear view camera, £460 for Park Assist, £1,380 for Climate Pack 2 and £1,100 for Seat Memory Pack)

PORSCHE 718 CAYMAN
Engine
: 1,988cc, four-cylinder turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 300@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 280@1,950-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.1sec
Top speed: 170mph
Weight: 1,335kg DIN, 1,410kg to EU with driver
MPG: 38.2 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 168g/km
Price: £39,878 (As tested £53,605 comprised of £558 for Graphite blue metallic, £2,174 for Sport-tex leather interior in graphite blue and crayon, £591 for bi-xenon headlights including Porsche dynamic light system, £599 for front and rear park assist, £971 for Porsche Active Suspension Management, £890 for Porsche Torque Vectoring including mechanically locking rear differential, £1,125 for Sport Chrono Package including mode switch, £1,530 for sports exhaust system including sports tailpipes in black, £1,700 for 20-inch Carrera S wheels, £801 for wheels painted in high-gloss black, £186 for GT sport steering wheels, £315 for heated multifunction steering wheel, £312 for sports seats plus, £122 for ISOFIX child seat mounting points on front passenger, £1,052 for Navigation module for Porsche Communication Management and £801 for Connect Plus)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
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sonnenschein3000

Original Poster:

710 posts

89 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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The cayman still has a certain magic about it despite going down to 4cyl, and is of course 10 grand cheaper than the jag

truck71

2,328 posts

171 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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To decide between two four cylinder sports cars at +£50k is a bit like deciding between toothache or a headache.

cayman-black

12,624 posts

215 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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truck71 said:
To decide between two four cylinder sports cars at +£50k is a bit like deciding between toothache or a headache.
LOL. Quite right. I really don't like the Cayman though.

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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truck71 said:
To decide between two four cylinder sports cars at +£50k is a bit like deciding between toothache or a headache.
rofl TBH if it were just based on looks(both inside and out) I'd be for the Jag all the way, £10k is a LOT of difference though frown

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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I suspect it would be no contest if a standard-ish model 918 "S" was put in the mix instead of an entry level car loaded with expensive options.

There's something very special about a sportscar with an excellent mid-engined chassis.

rog007

5,748 posts

223 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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truck71 said:
To decide between two four cylinder sports cars at +£50k is a bit like deciding between toothache or a headache.
You seem to have captured the mood; end of thread!?

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CM954

525 posts

184 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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The F Type looks fab, whereas I think for me at least the Cayman has got worse with each iteration. [Edit - it's not bad, just looks fatter and flashier than before]
Contrived exhaust pops are frankly just embarrassing. What are you, twelve?

Surely the biggest differences between these two through are that one is a manual and of a width that just about fits the road, and one is an auto and so wide that you're constantly either running over cats eyes or looking at the edge of the road surface for dangers when "making progress"?

Edited by CM954 on Sunday 20th August 13:23

big_rob_sydney

3,394 posts

193 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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Never really liked any cars from these marques. Feel free to shoot the messenger.

The jag is a fat pig.

The pork is just another in an endless stream of versions. Oh look, there's another version with x, y, and z this week.

Kudos to the pork on this occasion for being cheaper, lighter and a better steer.

Just strange that in the world of "look-at-me" attention-whoring, the absence of noise is tolerated. The mouse roared.

MegaCat

191 posts

139 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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Spec'd up like for like on the configurators, you end up with 2 cars in a very similar price point £51-53k, by no means cheap but both good cars. It is evident that you can be very silly with Porsche configurators and pricing, but broadly speaking you are looking at comparable cars.

If you want manual go 718, if you want auto go Jag. People buy cars for varying reasons, I like the look of the Jag, and now enjoy driving more with paddles, you spend more time with your hands on the wheel, and I think can get more out of a car now. But that's just me ; )

J4CKO

41,282 posts

199 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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Both decent looking 300 bhp cars, cant see the problem ? if you want a car with more cylinders, buy that one not one of these two.

I suspect the owners will just go "I like that, I will buy one", they dont need more cylinders or any more power, not everyone thinks they need 400 bhp plus before a car will drag itself up the road or make a huge racket whilst doing it.

A lady at work had the V6, not the S, or the V8, and she loved it, she thought it was really, really fast, she didnt really put her foot down all that much, I suspect had never used full throttle, yet she was still over the moon with the car.

oldtimer2

728 posts

132 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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Such cars are toys for adults and like all toys are there for fun. Which one is fun for you is the choice for you. Nothing much else matters.

craigjm

17,907 posts

199 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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J4CKO said:
A lady at work had the V6, not the S, or the V8, and she loved it, she thought it was really, really fast, she didnt really put her foot down all that much, I suspect had never used full throttle, yet she was still over the moon with the car.
I think this is the truth for most owners of any car you can think of. Using a car on the road means that once you get past a certain level of power and handling it just cannot be exploited fully on the road. It is for this reason that cars like the MX5 are so much fun to drive.

The vast majority of modern Porsches and Jaguars etc are used for anything near their limits for less than 10% of the time so I see no problem with these engines. I guarantee that if you put Mike Cross / Walter Rhol in these 2.0 versions and then gave a PH driving god the most powerful version they would still lose in any race because driving a car fast is not just about power and handling it is about driver ability and for 99% of the driving population their talent runs out far before that of even the small engine versions of these cars.

greenarrow

3,550 posts

116 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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Easy choice for me, if I was buying: Cayman 718. Totally disagree with the person who says the Cayman has got uglier with each iteration. I think the current one is the best looking one yet. The original 2.7 looked podgy.

The Jag is far too heavy and for me only makes sense with 6 or 8 cylinders, where it becomes a big GT bruiser, whereas for the Porsche, it sells on litheness and delicacy, so I don't have a problem with it having a compact 4 cylinder engine.

Does anyone know if these new 4 cylinder boxer engines are more reliable than the old flat 6s? The original 3.4S engine had a bad rep for engine problems.

mikey P 500

1,236 posts

186 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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Nice write up of a interesting road test. Next can you pair both the 4 cylinder Porsche and Jag against the mx5 and maybe gt86 to see which is most fun, as I would be interested in the outcome, to see how much better these are for the extra outlay?

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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Good review.

The biggest problem with buying a cheap Porker or Jag is that you're gonna get beat at some point by a Golf R or Audi S3 on a lease and then you'll be left with horrific buyer's remorse.

unsprung

5,467 posts

123 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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irocfan said:
truck71 said:
To decide between two four cylinder sports cars at +£50k is a bit like deciding between toothache or a headache.
rofl TBH if it were just based on looks(both inside and out) I'd be for the Jag all the way, £10k is a LOT of difference though frown
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+1 (to each of the above)

Also, it's interesting to note how far we've come in terms of performance, fuel economy, safety, durability, interior fitment, etc. A mass-produced OEM four-pot two litre at 300 hp?

Think of some of the cars that your uncle (or whoever) might have had in the 1970s. The rust alone... good god.




MikeGalos

261 posts

283 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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It amazes how long auto journalists have been talking up Porsches they knew were bad. This time we get statements of how everybody admits the OLD Cayman really wasn't any good but the new engine fixes the problem. (Of course previous reviews never seemed to mention how bad the old one was at the time)

The classic example was that for decades every new 911 finally fixed the car's horrible tendency to oversteer including the reviews of the previous model that had been the model fixed by the new model. I recall that as far back as the engine upgrade to 2.2 liters nearly 50 years ago.

Seriously, guys, does Porsche have the negatives of embarrassing incidents at press parties?

greenarrow

3,550 posts

116 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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MikeGalos said:
It amazes how long auto journalists have been talking up Porsches they knew were bad. This time we get statements of how everybody admits the OLD Cayman really wasn't any good but the new engine fixes the problem. (Of course previous reviews never seemed to mention how bad the old one was at the time)

The classic example was that for decades every new 911 finally fixed the car's horrible tendency to oversteer including the reviews of the previous model that had been the model fixed by the new model. I recall that as far back as the engine upgrade to 2.2 liters nearly 50 years ago.

Seriously, guys, does Porsche have the negatives of embarrassing incidents at press parties?
Actually the writer says the old 2.7 Cayman wasn't an amazing sports car and it was due to the long gearing and an engine light on torque, I wouldn't say that's the same as saying the old Cayman was no good. The Cayman has always had good reviews aside from criticism at the time of the 2.7 feeling a bit gutless.

Also I cant remember any criticism of fixing the previous model's oversteer since the 996 came out.

But I do agree that the motoring press love Porsche, I mean really love them, just as they wet themselves every month over the VW Golf.

ITP

1,996 posts

196 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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I think the best option would be a 6cyl manual cayman of the previous gen but with a shorter final drive to lower the gearing 25% or so.
Does anyone offer this as an aftermarket mod?

LuS1fer

41,084 posts

244 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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Moey aside, the jag is a way better looking car. Every time I see an F-Type, I stop and look. Pass by any Porsche...