Drive - Tuned! - Exige 710bhp

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SeanyD said:

the ronin said:

Dudes Chapman died in 1982 he had nothing to do with the Elise/Exige and he was a scrote to boot from what I've read..

I find this poor show and bad taste, especially when (IIRC) he has family/colleagues on here, not the Lotus Ethos I love about our cars.

Edited by SeanyD on Tuesday 3rd April 10:58

Bloody hell, I actually think you're serious with that post. Why don't you have a whip round for some tissues.

[the ronin]

I hear Chapman use to drive down kitties when they were over fed is that true, something about lightness or some other rubish ?

Edited by the ronin on Tuesday 3rd April 20:04

[Sam_68]

the ronin said:

I hear Chapman use to dive down kitties

It wasn't kitties he used to dive on, Franky, it was pussies.

Easy mistake to make...

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[the ronin]

Oh the horror someone he knew from grade school could be reading.... U pig

[chuntington101]

ronin have you upgraded the uprights on this car yet? Just wondering if the wheel bearings would be strong enough at over 3 x the power and considerably higher g loads.

Chris.

[the ronin]

chuntington101 said:

ronin have you upgraded the uprights on this car yet? Just wondering if the wheel bearings would be strong enough at over 3 x the power and considerably higher g loads.

Chris.

I'm still on the stock uprights and have gone through a few rear bearings since runing the slicks.. They're cheap enough to replace from time to time.

[Zero 1]

jfk01 said:

I too am happy to know the 2zz is capable of huge power ..
It is comforting to know that at a mere 310 ish output its nowhere near its potential ,albeit Frank has a few slightly uprated internals !
Jealous ? Yes !

Frankly any engine given the right know how is capable of "huge power." Brabhams BT55 Formula 1 car was cranking 1500bhp out of a 1.5L turbo in the 80s. Modern Formula E karts are rumored to output over 95 to 100+hp with only 250cc. Top Fuel is limited to 8194cc and produce an estimated 8000hp. Roger Clark Motorsport achieved 890bhp in their time attack Subaru with only 2.0 liters.

Any engine can make big power, but there is always a trade off with reliability. If I recall correctly from various sources Frank went through several engines and transmissions before getting to where he did with the car. I also recall hearing that the car had to be constantly worked on and was breaking parts left and right ( I think the guy in the DRIVE video mentioned this?)

Would be interesting to see the dyno sheets of this car and check out what kind of torque curve it produced. Would you upload the dyno sheets Ronin?

[chuntington101]

Really struggling to see the point in staying with the lotus chassis / engine config. Ronin why not look at something different like a slc, gt40, ultima gtr, or something similar. You could Probably build a mosler m900 for similar money! You could run a much bigger engine and have it less stressed / make even more power. the gearbox options would be better and be alot stronger. Not saying the lotus has a bad chassis.

[the ronin]

chuntington101 said:

Really struggling to see the point in staying with the lotus chassis / engine config. Ronin why not look at something different like a slc, gt40, ultima gtr, or something similar. You could Probably build a mosler m900 for similar money! You could run a much bigger engine and have it less stressed / make even more power. the gearbox options would be better and be alot stronger. Not saying the lotus has a bad chassis.

The Lotus chassis is the best I've driven and it is the hart and soul of Lotus handling... My engine and gearbox are a perfect combination and with a lighter body it will be even more of a monster with better braking and acceleration...
This mod is costing me nothing out of pocket since the fool that hit me is footing the bill...Lesson for all the fools out there if ya gonna run into me ya better kill me cause it's gonna cost ya one way or the other..

All the cars you mention are just too big for the tight roads I bought the Lotus for in the first place as for stress on the engine the roads are so tight that you are only on full power for a very short time because the next corner comes up so quick... I have never run the 2.2gal alcohol tank dry no matter how hard I push it in the canyons..
I'll be leaving in the AC unit to cool the active cool seat I have planned for the summer heat.

It's all about the canyons..

[Zero 1]

chuntington101 said:

Really struggling to see the point in staying with the lotus chassis / engine config. Ronin why not look at something different like a slc, gt40, ultima gtr, or something similar. You could Probably build a mosler m900 for similar money! You could run a much bigger engine and have it less stressed / make even more power. the gearbox options would be better and be alot stronger. Not saying the lotus has a bad chassis.

Because...RAAAACE CAAAARRRRR! VROOM VROOM BRAM BRAM BRAM!!! ZAAAM!

[Zero 1]

the ronin said:

The Lotus chassis is the best I've driven and it is the hart and soul of Lotus handling... My engine and gearbox are a perfect combination and with a lighter body it will be even more of a monster with better braking and acceleration...
This mod is costing me nothing out of pocket since the fool that hit me is footing the bill...Lesson for all the fools out there if ya gonna run into me ya better kill me cause it's gonna cost ya one way or the other..

All the cars you mention are just too big for the tight roads I bought the Lotus for in the first place as for stress on the engine the roads are so tight that you are only on full power for a very short time because the next corner comes up so quick... I have never run the 2.2gal alcohol tank dry no matter how hard I push it in the canyons..
I'll be leaving in the AC unit to cool the active cool seat I have planned for the summer heat.

It's all about the canyons..

Yes Frank, because god knows the only thing better than a car thats too big on a tight road, is a car with a thousand horsepower :rollseyes:

Honestly be responsible and take this car to the track. You'll save a lot of people badgering you about your cars performance and more importantly cars this fast should be driven in a responsible way. There are tons of people out on Saturdays and Sundays now on Mulholland. You already put peoples lives at risk by driving on tires that you shouldn't be driving on the street in a car that is way too over powered for the streets on a short wheelbase.

Be responsible or I'm gonna send me friend after you and he doesn't like when people call others "fools."




I would love to see you do 0-60 in under 2 seconds. For a guy who demands everyone else prove everything about their cars (from dyno sheets to guys on youtube) you sure don't prove anything about your own cars.
Lets see a video of you driving Streets of Willow, lets see the 0-60 in under 2 seconds...give us some dyno sheets to look over.

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[anonymous-user]

Ronin love your cars..

I think the whole point is you are either a modifier or you ain't and generally you can never turn people one way or the other. Some people want a cookie cutter car, some want something that feels more personal and tailored.

Looking forward to the new project, reminds me of modern Lotus Mark VIII.

[Zero 1]

the ronin said:

Thanks, I'm looking forward to another open cockpit canyon car [bee stings] since my last one was 30 yrs. ago.... 975lbs. 265 whp 13B

Now thats more like it Ronin. I knew you had to have some sense with all that grey hair. Don't even try to tell me that wasn't plenty fast in the mountains. From my perspective I just don't see why you bother dumping all this money into cars that are marginally faster than something like the Super 7 in the mountains, ESPECIALLY if you don't track it.

There are too many people on Mulholland now, too many cyclists and cops up there to even drive that fast.

Still want you to prove the claims of 0-60 in under 2 seconds. Will you put up a shot of the dyno graph? Interested to see the torque curve.

Edited by Zero 1 on Saturday 5th May 22:53

[jfk01]

I see the jealous trolls are circling ... Awaiting a free feed from a true hunters leftovers ...
Can you better Ronin,s build?
Please do share ?

[the ronin]

The old Seven knock off sucked in the canyons at speed even with the independent Datsun 510 rear end it would bounce off the proper line on any rough surface... It sucked in the canyons, just too dam light for the real world.

The 211 generates good downforce up front and will be even better when I'm done with it.

With sticky 245's and monster 345's, there will be no loss of traction due to poor mechanical grip...
The big ass wing is waiting in the wings if it's needed below 100 mph.

Trolls will not get a response from me ..

[Zero 1]

jfk01 said:

I see the jealous trolls are circling ... Awaiting a free feed from a true hunters leftovers ...
Can you better Ronin,s build?
Please do share ?

If speed is the goal you can get something that would annihilate Ronin for about $15-30k USD

Formula Pacific (Streets of Willow Record Holder) for ~$15,000 USD



http://www.sportscardigest.com/formula-pacific-a-n...

Or a Formula E 250cc kart $15-50k USD

http://www.250superkarts.com/ABOUT250RACING.htm



And hey, you wouldn't even have to build it or do any R&D (read: $$$)

[Zero 1]

the ronin said:

The old Seven knock off sucked in the canyons at speed even with the independent Datsun 510 rear end it would bounce off the proper line on any rough surface... It sucked in the canyons, just too dam light for the real world.

The 211 generates good downforce up front and will be even better when I'm done with it.

With sticky 245's and monster 345's, there will be no loss of traction due to poor mechanical grip...
The big ass wing is waiting in the wings if it's needed below 100 mph.

Trolls will not get a response from me ..

Ok so I'm curious, how much power are you going to be pushing with this new build? What kind of suspension setup were you running on the Seven knock off?

If the rear end of the car was bouncing or hopping, it was more than likely not setup properly or the geometry was incorrect. Rear wheel hopping at least in karts is caused by a part gripping up to a certain point and then deflecting which causes the rear end to gain grip, lose it, gain it, lose it which results in the hopping or bouncing most people experience. I would imagine if you were experiencing hopping in your car something similar was occurring.

What kind of tire wear pattern did you see after experiencing this?

I've driven an 1100lb car on rough surface that was scaled and setup correctly and never experienced hopping. It made ~300whp. In this case I can't agree that it hopped just because of it's light weight.

What kind of springs rates were you running on the replica? What kind of shocks?

And my question to you really is why do you think you need that much power in the mountains? You even said it yourself a post or two ago that time spent WOT is very minimum. I'm just trying to understand your mentality here. It might look cool on paper and to the magazines / TV shows and all that, but at the end of the day you're not going to put down 700 + whp effectively on the roads you're using the car on.

It's your money so by all means do whatever you want with it, I just think you should be practical about what youre after. Saves a lot of $$$

Edited by Zero 1 on Sunday 6th May 06:13

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Sometimes it is just fun to push the boundaries. That is exactly what Frank is doing. It's not about practical it's about achievement.

[Zero 1]

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Sometimes it is just fun to push the boundaries. That is exactly what Frank is doing. It's not about practical it's about achievement.

I understand what you're saying, but the boundaries for big power on low displacement have been proven. Formula 1 was pushing 1500bhp with 1.5 liters in the 80s. He's not discovering unchartered territory, but mouths off to everyone like he's the first one to do it.

Furthermore what bothers me about Frank is his arrogant attitude that you couldn't possibly keep up with him in the mountains unless you've done it bigger (on the dyno at least).

He's a shark hunting in the shallow end of the pool. A real great white would step out into the ocean to make a name for himself. "The Canyons" are small time. He's bringing an Ak-47 to a bare knuckle boxing match and bragging like he knocked out Muhammed Ali.