111S or 111R (sorry)

[Ryan_T]

Drive both, I personally love the 2nd cam kick of the 111R and find it addictive. Plus after an intake and exhaust the explosion of noise ot of nowhere once it engages is hilarious.

4k buys you a katana supercharger kit, installed for ~240bhp.

[l6rth]

That sounds more like it.

[Tickle]

l6rth said:

Can you put it in to context for me as my mine is having difficulty computing that 156bhp is enough. 189 sounds more like it.

You seem to be getting hung up on bhp output numbers only without considering weight.

111s is 780kg and 156bhp
111r is 900kg plus or minus 10kg or so dependent on options and 189bhp

111s bhp/ton = 200
111r bhp/ton = 210

Weight sources from SELOC

A toyota engined S only has 134bhp too so the bhp/ton would be less than both a 111s or 111r.

Edited by Tickle on Wednesday 28th June 12:23

[AyBee]

Ryan_T said:

Drive both, I personally love the 2nd cam kick of the 111R and find it addictive. Plus after an intake and exhaust the explosion of noise ot of nowhere once it engages is hilarious.

4k buys you a katana supercharger kit, installed for ~240bhp.

This

[AyBee]

l6rth said:

Just thinking what power can be extracted from a Toyota engined S with out to much cost?

What are you planning on using the car for? 190bhp from the 111R is plenty for road use IMO.

[l6rth]

190bhp seems fine. It I am very surprised at the weight difference. I want it for B road blasting and weekend fun.

[Mr E]

l6rth said:

Can you put it in to context for me as my mine is having difficulty computing that 156bhp is enough. 189 sounds more like it.

The only time I've ever felt like I wanted more power was at a track day. On the road, it's sufficient.

[l6rth]

If you add a supercharger to an S what BP do you get?

[l6rth]

I'd rather have more than sufficient.

[Beachbum]

So my very early 111R, Nov 2005, weighed 865kgs. The newer cars do weigh a little bit more, but not by much
Mine does not have the Touring Pack, which was an optional extra originally on the 111R, but became standard after 18 months or so. This beleive it or not allegedly adds approx 25kg, if you believe Hethel

[l6rth]

I'm struggling to understand why lotus made the R over the S of many people are telling me an S is enough and the performance difference isnt much different. What are the key differences within S and an R ?

[Mr E]

l6rth said:

I'm struggling to understand why lotus made the R over the S of many people are telling me an S is enough and the performance difference isnt much different. What are the key differences within S and an R ?

Valve lift.

The S has a 1zz-fe Toyota lump with standard cams and variable valve timing.

The R has a 2ZZ-ge lump with VVTL-i. Over (I think) 6200 rpm, the engine moves to a high lift cam and you get more power at the top of the engine range.
If I recall correctly, the output until that point is identical for both engine options.

[Tickle]

l6rth said:

I'm struggling to understand why lotus made the R over the S of many people are telling me an S is enough and the performance difference isnt much different. What are the key differences within S and an R ?

Think of the S as an entry level Elise with 134bhp engine, the R (A later rebadge of the 111r) was the more powerful car and range topper until the SC came out (now all superseded with the new line-up inc. Cup cars)

Not sure if you are getting the 111s and S confused here though?

111s – 156bhp Rover Engine
111r – 189bhp Toyota Engine
S – 134bhp Toyota Engine
R – 189bhp Toyota Engine

[l6rth]

I thought the 05 onwards 111s was a toyota engine car? So an 05 onwards 111s or S (156bhp) whichever is correct and an 04 onwards R again toyota engine.

So what is the difference

[otolith]

Anything badged 111S is a 156bhp Rover engined car.

Naturally aspirated Toyota cars are badged 111R, R, S, where the S is the 134bhp entry level model.

[l6rth]

Sorry for being thick but just for clarity. It is not possible to get a 156bhp Toyota engined car from 05 onwards?

[otolith]

In terms of performance, a 111R is about 13 seconds to 100mph, and a 111S is about 14. The 134bhp Elise S is about 18 or so seconds.

[otolith]

I'm not sure what the actual last registration date for one was, but yes, it was phased out around that time. There should not be any cars claiming to be 111S models after then.

[Tickle]

l6rth said:

Sorry for being thick but just for clarity. It is not possible to get a 156bhp Toyota engined car from 05 onwards?

Nope, there was never a Toyota engined Elise with circa 156bhp

[otolith]

And, no, no 156bhp Toyota engine existed.

The Toyota engines were;

2ZZ-GE 1.8 189bhp
1ZZ-FE 1.8 134bhp
1ZR-FAE 1.6 134bhp

Plus supercharged versions of the 2ZZ-GE and of a newer 1.8 litre engine, the 2ZR-FE with around 217bhp in the Elise. The Exige came with higher tuned versions of the supercharged 2ZZ-GE because it has room for an intercooler.