So.... Phil Popham

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Tuna

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284 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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New Boss, industry experienced, Jaguar, turned around Sunseeker Yachts... what do we think?

Popham said:
I have spent my career working with, and have a passion for famous British luxury, high-tech and pioneering brands, and Lotus, with its amazing history, definitely fits into that category, I am looking forward to being part of the team that will drive the substantial future growth of the Lotus business.

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Saturday 15th September 2018
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He’s a good guy.
I met him a few times when working with JLR.
He’s a brand builder not just a cost cutter.
Certainly a big improvement on JMG.

Frimley111R

15,623 posts

234 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Is he though? How can you tell? JMG had a different brief.

Popham looks good though, but it'll be a few years before we see the fruits of his labour

Tuna

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Monday 17th September 2018
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So is the consensus that JMG was there to prepare Lotus for a sale? Cut costs and nothing else? It would make sense in retrospect. It wouldn't make him popular, but got us to where we are today.

HeMightBeBanned

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178 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Maldini35 said:
He’s a brand builder not just a cost cutter.
Certainly a big improvement on JMG.
I don't think you can say he's a "big improvement" because their brief is different. It's clear that JMG's brief was to make Lotus a viable takeover target. Given lacklustre sales and lack of funds, he had no option but to slash costs, manage the cash carefully (not paying suppliers will have delivered short-term gain but long term pain...) and tinker with existing products in a bid to improve sales and margins. Any Chief Exec would have done the same thing in his position.

The mark of this new bloke will be that he doesn't piss whatever investment money he has up the wall (see Dany Bahar for details) and can make Lotus products that (i) the general public want to buy (ii) existing owners feel like they're worth upgrading to.

CTE

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240 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Hmm JMG`s move to JD Classics doesn't seem to have been the most inspired move.

Frimley111R

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Monday 17th September 2018
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HeMightBeBanned said:
The mark of this new bloke will be that he doesn't piss whatever investment money he has up the wall (see Danny Bahar for details) and can make Lotus products that (i) the general public want to buy (ii) existing owners feel like they're worth upgrading to.
He's a totally different level of manager with a totally different level of budget and access to other manufacturer's products so no reason why that should be the case.

Maldini35

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Monday 17th September 2018
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HeMightBeBanned said:
I don't think you can say he's a "big improvement" because their brief is different. It's clear that JMG's brief was to make Lotus a viable takeover target. Given lacklustre sales and lack of funds, he had no option but to slash costs, manage the cash carefully (not paying suppliers will have delivered short-term gain but long term pain...) and tinker with existing products in a bid to improve sales and margins. Any Chief Exec would have done the same thing in his position.

The mark of this new bloke will be that he doesn't piss whatever investment money he has up the wall (see Dany Bahar for details) and can make Lotus products that (i) the general public want to buy (ii) existing owners feel like they're worth upgrading to.
Trust me - a big improvement.

JMG was unable to attract or retain top talent with his unique management style.

Yes his initial brief was different (cut costs to survive) but he clearly showed he was unable to adapt to the new brief - hence his sudden departure for ‘personal reasons’.

Some great people at Lotus - hopefully now they have the leadership they deserve


Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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The world needs a 30k Lotus new mister bossman!

MikeGalos

261 posts

284 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Nerdherder said:
The world needs a 30k Lotus new mister bossman!
Then the world equally needs a 30k Porsche 911 and a 30k Alfa sports car and a 70k Ferrari and a 40k Jaguar sports car, and, and...

Lotus has never been an economy brand.

Those relative pricings are what the relationship was back in the days of the Elan Sprint where it competed, successfully, with the 911T, Alfa Giulietta, Dino 246 and E-Type respectively.

Lotus does need a car that, for the same pricing as a high-end sports car, represents Lotus' traditional market niche of very high tech, very low weight and industry topping handling with the tradeoff of luxury GT features.

Remember Lotus' production cars used to be the ones to bring technology that hadn't even become universally adopted in Formula 1 yet to the street. The original Elan didn't become a legend because it was cute. It became a legend because in 1962 it had a twin cam engine with one carburetor barrel per cylinder, 4-wheel independent strut suspension, composite bodywork on a monocoque backbone chassis and 4-wheel disk brakes. And did so at the same price as other, more powerful but far less state of the art high end sports cars. It didn't compete with MG or Triumph or Austin-Healy for mass-market pricing and sales.

GregorFuk

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200 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Maldini35 said:
Some great people at Lotus - hopefully now they have the leadership they deserve
Feel like I’ve heard this before....

GregorFuk

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200 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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MikeGalos said:
Remember Lotus' production cars used to be the ones to bring technology that hadn't even become universally adopted in Formula 1 yet to the street. The original Elan didn't become a legend because it was cute. It became a legend because in 1962 it had a twin cam engine with one carburetor barrel per cylinder, 4-wheel independent strut suspension, composite bodywork on a monocoque backbone chassis and 4-wheel disk brakes. And did so at the same price as other, more powerful but far less state of the art high end sports cars. It didn't compete with MG or Triumph or Austin-Healy for mass-market pricing and sales.
So they really need to bite the bullet and design a carbon tub.

Tuna

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Monday 17th September 2018
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GregorFuk said:
So they really need to bite the bullet and design a carbon tub.
Depends which way they go. The point of Aluminium is you can do relatively short production runs cost effectively. It means they could have a few super-targeted niche models that do what the mainstream manufacturers can't without ending up with boutique prices.

Carbon fibre is more expensive and (I think?) harder to design for - so you have to go for fewer models with a much more premium price.

The first option was how we got the Elise. The second is how Mclaren delivered the 12c etc. Whilst I so want to see a halo 'new Esprit' that is a Mclaren killer, I'd also like to see stuff that a mere mortals can aspire to. Not Ford prices by any means, but not same price as a house prices either.

smilo996

2,783 posts

170 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Seems like a solid choice. Just hope he does not think that Lotus should be sunseekers on wheels.

Apart from the stupidity of offering an SUV, it seems Lotus are in better long term shape than they have been for many years.

Credit to Jean-Marc Gales for getting absolutely every penny of revenue out of each car and getting them tweeked sufficiently to be cars Chapman would be proud of.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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smilo996 said:
Seems like a solid choice. Just hope he does not think that Lotus should be sunseekers on wheels.
Ssangyong tried that.


MikeGalos

261 posts

284 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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GregorFuk said:
MikeGalos said:
Remember Lotus' production cars used to be the ones to bring technology that hadn't even become universally adopted in Formula 1 yet to the street. The original Elan didn't become a legend because it was cute. It became a legend because in 1962 it had a twin cam engine with one carburetor barrel per cylinder, 4-wheel independent strut suspension, composite bodywork on a monocoque backbone chassis and 4-wheel disk brakes. And did so at the same price as other, more powerful but far less state of the art high end sports cars. It didn't compete with MG or Triumph or Austin-Healy for mass-market pricing and sales.
So they really need to bite the bullet and design a carbon tub.
Also things like electronic valve control rather than springs and cams and dynamic aerodynamics and regenerative braking to power electric boost-mode power and dynamic suspensions and, and, and...

And those are things that will NOT come with Miata pricing. Nor have they ever. They come with saying "Here's a true race level technology car for the price of a sports car built on two generation old technology and the tradeoff is that you won't get 'rich Corinthian leather' and high quality custom switchgear and an audio system better than you have in your home and you will pay as much as you would for the cars that do focus on those amenities but that skimp on actual automotive technology because that's the optimization that we think matters."


Edited by MikeGalos on Thursday 20th September 14:04