Exige Cup 430 v Exige 410
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Drove an Evora 410 Sport and Exige 410 Sport at Silverstone this morning. Nice wet circuit. Only car I've driven on track this year has been my Radical. The Evora was alright but didn't really do anything for me. The Exige however was a great blast, alot of fun on a wet circuit for sure. It's just like a go kart, nice steering, mid range torque. What a fun car!!
Baldchap said:
This is the car in question.
Ignore the nomenclature, that's a red herring. This is a car with all the CURRENT cup bits on and everyone of the people who drove it (including several professional racing drivers) agreed it was noticeably better handling in terms of turn and stop than the 1000 mile old Sport 410.
I would therefore expect the current 430 Cup to be the same degree of 'better', if not more.
The 410 is selling better as it’s the cheapest route to a chargecooled car with gearbox cooler etc that most want.
The dealers told me the balloon payments make financing cheap on the 410 so they are flying out the showrooms. Hofmanns have bought another two to sell on!
Not so great come resale as they are much more common.
430s are making more like 435/436bhp from what I understand. 410 whilst an amazing car isn’t near that and the same driver in both cars would be quicker in the cup.
The dealers told me the balloon payments make financing cheap on the 410 so they are flying out the showrooms. Hofmanns have bought another two to sell on!
Not so great come resale as they are much more common.
430s are making more like 435/436bhp from what I understand. 410 whilst an amazing car isn’t near that and the same driver in both cars would be quicker in the cup.
Munkeyfeet said:
The 410 is selling better as it’s the cheapest route to a chargecooled car with gearbox cooler etc that most want.
The dealers told me the balloon payments make financing cheap on the 410 so they are flying out the showrooms. Hofmanns have bought another two to sell on!
Not so great come resale as they are much more common.
430s are making more like 435/436bhp from what I understand. 410 whilst an amazing car isn’t near that and the same driver in both cars would be quicker in the cup.
I tend to agree , the scarcity of the Cup430 should lead to better residuals than the 410.The dealers told me the balloon payments make financing cheap on the 410 so they are flying out the showrooms. Hofmanns have bought another two to sell on!
Not so great come resale as they are much more common.
430s are making more like 435/436bhp from what I understand. 410 whilst an amazing car isn’t near that and the same driver in both cars would be quicker in the cup.
Interested to hear you think the Cup generates more than 430bhp. It was certainly my impression the 430 was noticeably quicker than a 410 and if it’s generating 25bhp more, and certainly is lighter then it would explain it a bit more
Quags said:
The 410 is such a weapon, I drove the 410 recently at Hethel and was blown away with the speed it can carry.
Beautiful car, very much on my lottery list.
I love the 430, I just can't see, like a lot of Lotus models, the value in the price difference.
As with everything it depends on how much you value the best.Beautiful car, very much on my lottery list.
I love the 430, I just can't see, like a lot of Lotus models, the value in the price difference.
No doubt the 410 is now well priced in comparison to a 350 and the Cup 430, but it lacks many things compared to the Cup in standard form ( carbon and Titanium )
You can of course spec up a 410 and then it becomes much closer price wise but you will still lack the aero, roll over, track springs etc . The Cup will always be more sort after in the future imo
Munkeyfeet said:
Exactly as rocketreid says, all the small difference add up to a major advantage.
Why I just bought a 430 and sold my 350
Cool so you can tell us how the upgrading feels :-)Why I just bought a 430 and sold my 350
I wait for the Sport EX475 model ;-) for now a upgrade for 410 and 430 models, I guess next year orso in a factory model? :-)
Arun_D said:
Baldchap said:
This is the car in question.
Ignore the nomenclature, that's a red herring. This is a car with all the CURRENT cup bits on and everyone of the people who drove it (including several professional racing drivers) agreed it was noticeably better handling in terms of turn and stop than the 1000 mile old Sport 410.
I would therefore expect the current 430 Cup to be the same degree of 'better', if not more.
I agree about the 430, if I could afford it. But depends on the type of driving, if doing lots of track days then great, but I doubt very much you'd explore the extras on the roads.
Quags said:
When I was there for my driving day, that one had been smashed up by an instructor, it had started raining etc (insert racing driver excuse here) which is why they had a 410. But I was told that black one was a 350.
I agree about the 430, if I could afford it. But depends on the type of driving, if doing lots of track days then great, but I doubt very much you'd explore the extras on the roads.
Yes but who doesn’t love all of the Cups Carbon and the Titanium Exhaust I agree about the 430, if I could afford it. But depends on the type of driving, if doing lots of track days then great, but I doubt very much you'd explore the extras on the roads.
what (at the moment) is the best basis 350 model, I mean sharpest/lightest most sport oriented.
I'm asking because there are great tuning stages to get to 430hp and not paying 430/410 money, just wondering.
of course a original 410/430 will be more worth or more preferable when selling, but to get the idea of a pretty high power Exige in a good base car named 350 (or sport or cup? etc)
I'm asking because there are great tuning stages to get to 430hp and not paying 430/410 money, just wondering.
of course a original 410/430 will be more worth or more preferable when selling, but to get the idea of a pretty high power Exige in a good base car named 350 (or sport or cup? etc)
Quags said:
When I was there for my driving day, that one had been smashed up by an instructor, it had started raining etc (insert racing driver excuse here) which is why they had a 410. But I was told that black one was a 350.
When I watched it get crashed the track was dry. Excuses, excuses! 
They had already been using the 410 at this point, as our group had driven both several times over the four days prior to that instructor binning it on the last session of the last day.
Edited by Baldchap on Wednesday 23 October 07:52
Hangar 111 currently have their Exige V6 S for sale which was my old roadster...the car had a great gearchange (the best they've ever come across apparently) and has all the mods...Komotec 460, uprated dampers etc etc. I expect it would be a cost effective purchase...
I thought about modding this car myself, but I decided that the total cost of ownership would at the end of the day be little different whether I took that route or bought a Cup 430, so being in a fortunate position, I took the Cup 430 route due to their relative rarity. Of course if the whole specialised car market collapses, as is likely, I would probably have been better off cash wise modding a base car...
I thought about modding this car myself, but I decided that the total cost of ownership would at the end of the day be little different whether I took that route or bought a Cup 430, so being in a fortunate position, I took the Cup 430 route due to their relative rarity. Of course if the whole specialised car market collapses, as is likely, I would probably have been better off cash wise modding a base car...
Munkeyfeet said:
If you are going to upgrade buy a sport 350, it’s the most cost effective base, the 350 has lots of upgrades over the V6S.
Once the ex460 kit is added and 3 way nitrons you will have an extremely quick car.
I have been thinking in that option, i have an evora and i want to change it for the exige, but have some options, take an exige 350 and upgrade with the ex430 and nitrons or buy a 410 or 430, Once the ex460 kit is added and 3 way nitrons you will have an extremely quick car.
Exige 350 : 75k + 6k (ex 430) + 5k (nitron) = 86k
Exige 410 : 90k- 100k
Exige 430 : 110k - 130k the problem is are very few 430 second hand....
So that is the the decisions now....
Think in future problems of upgrade, thinks when you will sell it in the future, and the aerodynamic change a lot of the 350 and the 430.
The question is, a exige 350 with the up grade ex430 and the nitron is same at a exige 430?
Your thoughts are ok but why buy a new 350? I`ve not looked at second hand prices but pretty sure you`ll get into one for £45-55k which will be the same car for all intents and purposes, plus it will be fully run in etc. The only benefits with a new car is its your specification and its got a warranty, but you`ll negate the warranty by modifying it...
With a second hand car as a base you are now looking at a £20-30k saving over new. The big question is how will depreciation/residuals affect a modified car when compared to a stock car, and then there`s the issue of reliability not to forget insurance. I would say the best thing to do is buy an already modified car that`s been checked out properly for about £50k, or if you want a new car, bite the bullet and pay the price.
With a second hand car as a base you are now looking at a £20-30k saving over new. The big question is how will depreciation/residuals affect a modified car when compared to a stock car, and then there`s the issue of reliability not to forget insurance. I would say the best thing to do is buy an already modified car that`s been checked out properly for about £50k, or if you want a new car, bite the bullet and pay the price.
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