Exige Cup 430 v Exige 410

[gareth h]

williams123456 said:

Munkeyfeet said:

If you are going to upgrade buy a sport 350, it’s the most cost effective base, the 350 has lots of upgrades over the V6S.

Once the ex460 kit is added and 3 way nitrons you will have an extremely quick car.

I have been thinking in that option, i have an evora and i want to change it for the exige, but have some options, take an exige 350 and upgrade with the ex430 and nitrons or buy a 410 or 430,
Exige 350 : 75k + 6k (ex 430) + 5k (nitron) = 86k
Exige 410 : 90k- 100k
Exige 430 : 110k - 130k the problem is are very few 430 second hand....

So that is the the decisions now....
Think in future problems of upgrade, thinks when you will sell it in the future, and the aerodynamic change a lot of the 350 and the 430.

The question is, a exige 350 with the up grade ex430 and the nitron is same at a exige 430?

These prices are a bit off, I paid £75k for my 410 (1 month old with 400 miles on the clock), you’d probably pick one up now for £70 ish, compared to a £50k 2nd hand 350 which would need £10-11k thrown at it, for the extra £10k I’d rather have the 3 year warranty safety net and I suspect stronger residuals.

[Rocketreid]

gareth h said:

These prices are a bit off, I paid £75k for my 410 (1 month old with 400 miles on the clock), you’d probably pick one up now for £70 ish, compared to a £50k 2nd hand 350 which would need £10-11k thrown at it, for the extra £10k I’d rather have the 3 year warranty safety net and I suspect stronger residuals.

Even better is you can get into a year old Cup 430 still with warranty.

With all the bells and whistles as standard and now in the low - mid £80,000’s. Much better investment imo as a very rare car and not likely to lose so much money in the future

[williams123456]

gareth h said:

These prices are a bit off, I paid £75k for my 410 (1 month old with 400 miles on the clock), you’d probably pick one up now for £70 ish, compared to a £50k 2nd hand 350 which would need £10-11k thrown at it, for the extra £10k I’d rather have the 3 year warranty safety net and I suspect stronger residuals.

Speaking about €

[williams123456]

Rocketreid said:

Even better is you can get into a year old Cup 430 still with warranty.

With all the bells and whistles as standard and now in the low - mid £80,000’s. Much better investment imo as a very rare car and not likely to lose so much money in the future

Yes i think the 430 the best option but very very few used and the prices up than 110k € (gross price)

[GTRene]

I meant a second Exige, say the sport 350 from 2016-2017? and then upgrading to 430hp, maybe forget the nitrons?
or are the standard shocks horrible? for fast road use I guess not so?

In NL with high Co2 taxes bpm, I believe a new Exige sport 350 cost 107.000 euro, a new 430 cup cost 150.000euro...

a second hand low mileage exige sport 350 LHD (2016 and one 2018) can be had from 59k euro in Germany +6k for say the EX430 kit.

The cheapest real 430 cup is about 113k in Germany.

You can also buy (69k from 2015) a ready to use EX430 but is based on the 'older' model, before the open gearshift, but looks great, a special edition limited and also good suspension, ohlins and many more extra's, not a bad deal me thinks.

Lotus Exige LF1 EX430 Nr. 4/81 Nürburgring-Edition

Stirling Moss
1961, Nürburgring GP





https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...

Edited by GTRene on Wednesday 23 October 22:32

[Munkeyfeet]

The mid £80s 430s are both ex demonstrators- 12-18 month old cars are actual between £89-91k showing very strong residuals especially as it’s a slow market at the moment.

[MarkM3Evoplus]

Komotec 430 isn't chargecooled like the factory 430. Probably no difference on the road, but chargecooling preferable for track use

[gareth h]

GTRene said:

I meant a second Exige, say the sport 350 from 2016-2017? and then upgrading to 430hp, maybe forget the nitrons?
or are the standard shocks horrible? for fast road use I guess not so?

In NL with high Co2 taxes bpm, I believe a new Exige sport 350 cost 107.000 euro, a new 430 cup cost 150.000euro...

a second hand low mileage exige sport 350 LHD (2016 and one 2018) can be had from 59k euro in Germany +6k for say the EX430 kit.

The cheapest real 430 cup is about 113k in Germany.

You can also buy (69k from 2015) a ready to use EX430 but is based on the 'older' model, before the open gearshift, but looks great, a special edition limited and also good suspension, ohlins and many more extra's, not a bad deal me thinks.

Lotus Exige LF1 EX430 Nr. 4/81 Nürburgring-Edition

Stirling Moss
1961, Nürburgring GP





https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...

Edited by GTRene on Wednesday 23 October 22:32

Having had a 350 and 410, I’d have the Nitrons before the power upgrade.

[Rocketreid]

gareth h said:

Having had a 350 and 410, I’d have the Nitrons before the power upgrade.

Certainly for any amount of track use , the Nitrons or Ohlins are essential. 3 way Nitrons are excellent. Also before power upgrade, forged wheels and good tyres like Cup 2’s are more important

[Rocketreid]

MarkM3Evoplus said:

Komotec 430 isn't chargecooled like the factory 430. Probably no difference on the road, but chargecooling preferable for track use

There would be a difference !!

The Cup 430 is far closer to the Chargecooled Komotec 460 both on and off track . The 460 has greater torque but the Cup is likely to be far lighter and unless significant money has been spent on the 460 to upgrade the brakes , weight and handling it would not be as quick on track. Of course it will depend on the donor Car , Stock Sport 350 1,125kg Stock Cup 430 1,059, a woman’s weight difference !!

Cost for the Komotec 460 upgrade £8,500, Carbon £5,000+ , Titanium Exhaust £5,500, Nitrons £3,000 +, Brakes £2,500 +, Carbon Seats, Harnesses, Roll over hoop £3,500. Minimum £28,000 on top of doner Car .

You can’t just stick a 458 hp engine into a car designed to handle 345 without some of these measures.

Of course you can perhaps cut corners but will it be worth it and also you have to factor in resale values.

Lotus Cup Cars will always hold a premium imo

A V6S was 1,176kg , very lardy !!

[GTRene]

gareth h said:

Having had a 350 and 410, I’d have the Nitrons before the power upgrade.

I guess that must be a big difference then over the standard coilovers, the example I posted had the Ohlins, those I guess must be very good as well? I thought more expensive as Nitrons (haven't looked yet)

[Bispal]

I had a 350 and wanted to go down the Kototec 460 route instead of buying a 430 CUP. Once I added up all the engine costs and suspension costs there was still the wheels, carbon fibre, interior trimming etc and it would still be heavier. The costs were almost £30k on top of the £52k I paid for my 150 mile 350. £82k for a modded car that would probably maintain none or very little of the £30k spent. At the time there was an early 460 for sale for £46k so I had all the evidence I needed to go down the 430 CUP route. As a low volume model (still only 20 in the UK) I figured I would get more of my money back if I was to re-sell.

As luck would have it the exact car I wanted came up for sale and I bought it and do not regret it one bit and have no intention to ever sell it. Probably the last if the fast 'old school' factory Lotus cars to be built. I did consider a 410 but the additional cost for my 6 month old CUP was only slightly more so it was a no-brainer. However the advantage of a new 410 over a used 430 are the 50/50 finance deals and for some that will be the clincher.

If you can find a 430 CUP in an agreeable spec (you may not find your ideal car) then I would go for that. However if you like modding and personalising your car and making it your own the Komotec route has an appeal esp. with a used car as it can be done for under £50k. If you want to minimise depreciation then the 430 CUP route is probably better in the long run despite the initial higher outlay. If you prefer finance a new 410 would be a great choice.

[MarkM3Evoplus]

Rocketreid said:

MarkM3Evoplus said:

Komotec 430 isn't chargecooled like the factory 430. Probably no difference on the road, but chargecooling preferable for track use

There would be a difference !!

The Cup 430 is far closer to the Chargecooled Komotec 460 both on and off track . The 460 has greater torque but the Cup is likely to be far lighter and unless significant money has been spent on the 460 to upgrade the brakes , weight and handling it would not be as quick on track. Of course it will depend on the donor Car , Stock Sport 350 1,125kg Stock Cup 430 1,059, a woman’s weight difference !!

Cost for the Komotec 460 upgrade £8,500, Carbon £5,000+ , Titanium Exhaust £5,500, Nitrons £3,000 +, Brakes £2,500 +, Carbon Seats, Harnesses, Roll over hoop £3,500. Minimum £28,000 on top of doner Car .

You can’t just stick a 458 hp engine into a car designed to handle 345 without some of these measures.

Of course you can perhaps cut corners but will it be worth it and also you have to factor in resale values.

Lotus Cup Cars will always hold a premium imo

A V6S was 1,176kg , very lardy !!

I was merely referring to engine performance, not overall package.

[Munkeyfeet]

GTRene said:

gareth h said:

Having had a 350 and 410, I’d have the Nitrons before the power upgrade.

I guess that must be a big difference then over the standard coilovers, the example I posted had the Ohlins, those I guess must be very good as well? I thought more expensive as Nitrons (haven't looked yet)

Ohlins are much more expensive and better on track but are much worse on road.

If you are road with some track I’d have nitrons, if you are mainly track then ohlins for sure.

Second hand ohlins would probably pay for new nitrons though!

[foxsasha]

I had two V6 S then a 360 Cup. Looked at upgrading the 360 but decided just buying a 430 made more sense so went that route. A new 430 with oodles of carbon and 2 year warranty was more attractive proposition than a used car with no warranty and the cost of clutch, Komotec conversion, gearbox cooler, less effective aero etc.

Ohlins are no worse on the road than the Nitron 3 ways. I had no complaints about the stock V6 suspension on the road but it was a bit soft on track. Fitted Ohlins TTX with touch screen electronic controller to the 360 Cup. Was going to fit the same Ohlins to the 430 (swapped back to the OE 2 way Nitrons before selling the 360) but I'm happy with the Nitrons for now.

[Munkeyfeet]

foxsasha said:

I had two V6 S then a 360 Cup. Looked at upgrading the 360 but decided just buying a 430 made more sense so went that route. A new 430 with oodles of carbon and 2 year warranty was more attractive proposition than a used car with no warranty and the cost of clutch, Komotec conversion, gearbox cooler, less effective aero etc.

Ohlins are no worse on the road than the Nitron 3 ways. I had no complaints about the stock V6 suspension on the road but it was a bit soft on track. Fitted Ohlins TTX with touch screen electronic controller to the 360 Cup. Was going to fit the same Ohlins to the 430 (swapped back to the OE 2 way Nitrons before selling the 360) but I'm happy with the Nitrons for now.

Interesting that you say they were similar on the road, I’ve always heard the opposite- but then they didn’t have the electronic controller, were you running normal springs or had you gone softer?

I know someone who might buy if you want to sell your ohlins

[foxsasha]

Munkeyfeet said:

Interesting that you say they were similar on the road, I’ve always heard the opposite- but then they didn’t have the electronic controller, were you running normal springs or had you gone softer?

I know someone who might buy if you want to sell your ohlins

They are sprung half way between the Lotus option and the Cup R. It's an £8k retail set up, might even be more now. I'd consider selling but only for a price reflective of the new cost. Had a joker offer a grand not long ago.

I've a second new set of TTX as well, was originally going to have them valved and sprung for slicks. Plus a used set of OE V6/350/360 Cup size, width and offset forged rims.

[foxsasha]

[Rocketreid]

With only 6 Cup 430’s for sale and only one of them new and production unofficially now stopped are they going to become sought after ?

Anyone’s guess really, but a run out model must be in the wings !!

[Rocketreid]

Looks like B&C have sold their yellow Cup 430 once they had lowered the price to £80,000.

So now only 5 for sale nationwide and compared to some newer 410’s appear better value if you value some track usage !!