CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 6)

CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 6)

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Scrump

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21,889 posts

157 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Funny username

1,492 posts

174 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Why close gyms? they should be subsidised!

HorneyMX5

5,308 posts

149 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Thin White Duke said:
HorneyMX5 said:
My furlough finished yesterday and I got my redundancy payment, no furlough extension for me.
Have you been on furlough since March and is it voluntary redundancy or not? Whatever, I trust you'll find something.
Yup since March. I was an IT account manager, now I work on the line at a window factory. Not where I saw myself at age 42. Lol.

b0rk

2,289 posts

145 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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isaldiri said:
Very much agreed on all that. Which means given the govt and politicians we're basically screwed tbh!
Yup frown

gareth_r said:
On the other hand, Johnson has kicked the unemployment disaster to the beginning of December.

Just in time for Christmas.
Apart from the problem that furlough October is a bit st vs furlough March only 60% (£1800) and only 20% from employer, if the job viability is marginal then your not going to be put on furlough November if currently working.

Airlines and hotels for example aren't forced to close rather they can only be open for customers using them for work purposes this difference means falling back to furlough isn't an option for many employers in these sectors.

Elysium

13,756 posts

186 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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This is well worth a watch. The presenter is a pathologist and the central part covers some of the odd issues with the data. In particular the lack of excess deaths associated with this second wave compared to the first:

https://youtu.be/380DLg-nAqI

V1nce Fox

5,508 posts

67 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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i've had to turn it off. the whole thing is turning my stomach at this point.

johnboy1975

8,355 posts

107 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Briefing in full

Please pick it apart (with timestamps)


https://youtu.be/IJl3QF58g3s

This one stood out for me

26 min (viewer question)

Q
"We've got very little covid in Cornwall, are we expected to lockdown to show solidarity?"

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"Many of the areas with low prevalence have some of the highest rates of growth "

And

"The NHS is st in your area so will quickly be overwhelmed unless we lockdown"

V1nce Fox

5,508 posts

67 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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johnboy1975 said:
Briefing in full

Please pick it apart (with timestamps)


https://youtu.be/IJl3QF58g3s

This one stood out for me

26 min (viewer question)

Q
"We've got very little covid in Cornwall, are we expected to lockdown to show solidarity?"

A
"Many of the areas with low prevalence have some of the highest rates of growth "

And

"The NHS is st in your area so will quickly be overwhelmed unless we lockdown"
i did note his answer to the nhs in the south west being easily overwhelmed. it was a masterclass in fking doublespeak.

Seanrof

280 posts

59 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Elysium said:
And so, like vultures attracted by the scent of bad news the misguided lockdown zealots come in to troll the thread.

No thought for anyone else. Just a desire to be right and make others as miserable as they are.
Correct. I was having untold messages with an old friend during first lockdown. I had not spoken to him for ten years before that. He appeared again via social media, had the BBC point of view well and truly spewing out of his gob, my view was almost polar opposite. We went back and fwd for a few weeks. It started to become a bore. There was no compromise.
Then, when the country opened up again and he was able to go back to the pub, I didnt hear from him again.

Then this afternoon, a few months after our last contact, the predictable message appeared on my phone ' If people just stuck to the rules Sean, and just wore a mask and just blah blah blah .

My reply was short and sweet. 'It was nice to catch up, but go find another village idiot to chat with mate, you wont find the answers you are looking for here.

I then blocked him.

The only minuscule positive result of lockdowns and this whole Monty python-esque debacle, is that I've had the excuse to now trim my social media contacts down to a bearable and realistic size . Close family, 4 friends, tradespersons and work .

Elysium

13,756 posts

186 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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NuckyThompson

1,570 posts

167 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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johnboy1975 said:
Briefing in full

Please pick it apart (with timestamps)


https://youtu.be/IJl3QF58g3s

This one stood out for me

26 min (viewer question)

Q
"We've got very little covid in Cornwall, are we expected to lockdown to show solidarity?"

A
"Many of the areas with low prevalence have some of the highest rates of growth "

And

"The NHS is st in your area so will quickly be overwhelmed unless we lockdown"
We’ve got the same st NHS situation in west wales. The current first minister was the health minister was trying to turn our hospital into a cottage hospital meaning our nearest full hospital would be 35 miles away in my town but up to 60 for some. He also got rid of maternity services in the local hospital so you’ve got the 45 minute drive to the next doctor led maternity ward when your partner and child are in difficulty.

We’ve only got an oil refinery, two LNG’’s, 2 oil storage facilities and a gas power station here though so it’s not as if we may need local treatment as standard let alone with COVID.

Oh and when he got made first minister he blamed the new health minister for his fk ups. He’s definitely in contention with boris and Nicola for cockwomble of the year

irc

7,171 posts

135 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Some perspective.



Graph is BBC via Lockdown Sceptics.

Not so long ago 50 or 60k respiratory deaths was normal.

HoHoHo

14,980 posts

249 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Elysium said:
Thankfully I’m still OK to see my 86 year old mum however I had already made the decision (and she was happy with my thoughts) we would continue to see each other regardless.

She’s by herself in a flat and I’m amazed she’s not already tried to end it all - note she’s got my dads ashes by her bedside and has said for 16 years the moment she’s diagnosed with a serious illness she’s taking the pills in her bedside table and joining the one and only man she loved since she was 16.

This is a st time to be old currently and I see no end of these draconian rules well into 2021 the way it’s going.

RSTurboPaul

10,219 posts

257 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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johnboy1975 said:
Briefing in full

Please pick it apart (with timestamps)


https://youtu.be/IJl3QF58g3s

This one stood out for me

26 min (viewer question)

Q
"We've got very little covid in Cornwall, are we expected to lockdown to show solidarity?"

A
"Many of the areas with low prevalence have some of the highest rates of growth "

And

"The NHS is st in your area so will quickly be overwhelmed unless we lockdown"
Thanks for that link.

Comments are anti- so far, but interesting comment from 'Levi de Haan', saying "Same lockdown will happen in the Netherlands.. stay strong UK. Netherlands love you."

Is this true?

Coordinated lockdowns between countries?

That is suspicious if so.

Bob-iylho

694 posts

105 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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ash73 said:
If they increase all three by 3% (so total 9%) for 9 years that would pay off the debt, give or take.
This debt won't be paid off for generations ......................

johnboy1975

8,355 posts

107 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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https://youtu.be/FTJnUZoLRBU

Spitting image on point, as ever

RSbandit

2,590 posts

131 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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So Boris’ speech was a rerun of March effectively, 8 months in countless billions spunked to combat this, huge collateral damage to lives and livelihoods and we're back to where we started...protect the NHS!

Douglas Quaid

2,271 posts

84 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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irc said:
Some perspective.



Graph is BBC via Lockdown Sceptics.
Thing is the flu deaths may have been caused by flu but the covid deaths may not have been caused by covid so hard to compare.

silvagod

1,052 posts

159 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Elysium said:
This is well worth a watch. The presenter is a pathologist and the central part covers some of the odd issues with the data. In particular the lack of excess deaths associated with this second wave compared to the first:

https://youtu.be/380DLg-nAqI
Straight away, there's an omissiom. What if you want quality food and are prepared to wait? Not everything is a triangle!

Also, as you said...'No thought for anyone else. Just a desire to be right and make others as miserable as they are'. So she is wonderful and everyone else is pants?

Kiribati268

570 posts

136 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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ash73 said:
Just doing some fag-packet maths...

So far we've spent £220bn on Covid, if it goes on another 9-12 months the total will be ~£400bn.

1% increase in income tax raises roughly £5bn, similar for VAT and NI.

If they increase all three by 3% (so total 9%) for 9 years that would pay off the debt, give or take.

But that assumes people have jobs!

And I expect council tax will go up significantly to pay for local measures, too.

They might inflate their way out of some of it, I guess.
As you say, assuming people have jobs. If people don't have jobs then there's universal credit to pay. People without jobs have to spend less, so less VAT and tax paid. People without jobs don't commute, so no fuel duty paid. If businesses are closed, and there will be a fking lot in the next month or two, they don't pay employers NI, rent or business rates. If the landlord doesn't get rent, they pay less tax.

It's almost as if the government don't understand this. Furlough doesn't stop the employers rent/mortgage and other rates.

So businesses are forced to close without sufficient support, when does this become a dictatorship?

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