Misfire

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PetrolHeadPete

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743 posts

189 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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The new one is only recently fitted (couple of yrs max) and has been fine up until this sudden issue. Connectors on bulkhead are worth a check I agree. At this rate i'll have a scope on the drive waveforms for the injectors...

Sagi Badger

590 posts

193 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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What is the injector duration at idle?

J

PetrolHeadPete

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743 posts

189 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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2.2 ish. See below. This was idle, to fast idle, to idle. Starts at 950, up to 1500, then back to 950. Dark red trace near the bottom (v hard to see)



Sagi Badger

590 posts

193 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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That’s OK then, ummmh

Right, what’s the other screen show? Have you driven whilst hooked up? I find the colours hard to follow at the best of times" so always use the live figures, may need two of you for safety.... not got diesel in it or a dodgy flywheel...LOL

J

bearman68

4,652 posts

132 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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PetrolHeadPete said:
2.2 ish. See below. This was idle, to fast idle, to idle. Starts at 950, up to 1500, then back to 950. Dark red trace near the bottom (v hard to see)

I don't know specifically about your car, but injection duration of 2.2ms would appear very short, and would suggest the ECU is trying hard to lean things out. And succeeding. So the ECU imputs that effect fueling are suspect. Engine MAP, AFM, TPS etc, but the main one I would look at is the Lambda. What would happen to the injection pulses with a disconnected Lambda?

Just my thoughts.

Cheers

redbraveheart

27 posts

111 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Hi sounds like mine after my engine rebuild, I removed the throttle bodies and resealad , balanced them as per manual,new Lamdas use the speed six ones from tvr parts they will last longer (had new rover ones in jooles put tvr one back in as rover was not keeping up !!) then take it to jooles to map (best thing I did with the car)

PetrolHeadPete

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743 posts

189 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Injectors made no difference. I fitted Lucas D1720AB types which race Tech list for the 4.0. The originals are D1000AB which they only list for the 3.6 very odd. Anyway it runs albeit adaptives are trying lean it out on both banks so I suspect these are the higher flow injectors. But either which way...it still misfires exactly the same. Also does the same with lambdas unplugged. Next check is cam timing...could it have slipped. It's the only mech thing left to check that I can think of. BTW, stethoscope on each cylinder they all sound the same. None have any obvious stumbles etc.

m4tti

5,427 posts

155 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Was the coil you swapped in, brand new?

PetrolHeadPete

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743 posts

189 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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The one at the point of problem starting was brand new as of perhaps 2 years ago when I was trying to improve shunting. It made no difference at all. The one I tried this time round was the original, hence pretty confident its ok. My buddy is convinced its electrical having experienced it. Running on 5 cyls...how rough is it ? I would guess not *that* bad, just a bit rough but still quite a bit of go ? When I'm in the "zone", modest extra throttle makes almost no extra accel, it just gets noisier, shakes more, until you plant you foot and off it goes (couldn't guarantee there isn't still a misfire in the background, but it certainly gets most of its power back). His theory goes that anything mechanical will get worse at load and speed, and I think I take his point.

PetrolHeadPete

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743 posts

189 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Quick eyeball of the cam timing shows no issue...and sprocket bolts are still nicely part way around in the sprocket slotted holes. If it had slipped I think they would be obviously shifted. Back to head scratching and some serious electrical buzzing out I think.

Oneball

855 posts

87 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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What about the MAP sensor? Have you got a data trace showing it working correctly?

m4tti

5,427 posts

155 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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What was the outcome of spraying the bodies for leaks.

Like your mate is saying. This sounds electrical, the system is very simple. I’d be very tempted to replace the HT side of things with new.

Annoyingly I’ve just taken leads and a coil to the tip as I’m moving and clearing out, which I could have sent you.


PetrolHeadPete

Original Poster:

743 posts

189 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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I'm running new leads plugs and old known good coil pack so I'm pretty much there I guess. Now wondering about the drive to the coil...a poor 12v on there would screw up everything.

m4tti

5,427 posts

155 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Yep, is their anyone local who would let you try their Ecu.

twinreal

300 posts

155 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Not much left to check.
I assume battery/generator voltage is fine when fault occurs ?
I think its worth to check the splicing of the injector loom nevertheless you checked voltage at the plugs.
It all seems temperatur related.
Finally it could be a faulty ECU. Maybe you have a mate with a spare to swap ?

PetrolHeadPete

Original Poster:

743 posts

189 months

Sunday 1st July 2018
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I'm running new leads plugs and old known good coil pack so I'm pretty much there I guess. Now wondering about the drive to the coil...a poor 12v on there would screw up everything.

PetrolHeadPete

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743 posts

189 months

Sunday 1st July 2018
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Posts seem to get a bit out of order there...but yes great question

Does anyone near to Portsmouth have a mk1 ecu I could try out? Big ask I know.

m4tti

5,427 posts

155 months

Sunday 1st July 2018
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Wasn’t the MBE unit, but when I fitted syvecs, during a test run one of the Ecu driver wires to the ignition amp popped out of the plug Ecu to ignition amp plug... it ran like a beetle and shunted like a rodeo horse at certain revs.

PetrolHeadPete

Original Poster:

743 posts

189 months

Sunday 1st July 2018
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It's all back together with the original injectors now ready to start some buzzing out.
Interesting that after a short drive with the new injectors...all plugs look pristine but 6 is pretty sooty. Guess the ecu can't lean it out enough with those injectors. But strange that 4 and 5 look perfect! How could 6 be different unless it's missing some spark.

Sagi Badger

590 posts

193 months

Sunday 1st July 2018
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Pete,

If you’re thinking 6 isn’t firing either all the time or part of it have you leak down tested it? I think I read that you have balanced TBs etc and also that one exhaust vs the other was cooler?

J