S/C'd FFF

[T40ORA]

Let it go, man.

If you have a good product it will sell itself. Neither RG nor Pascal could give a st about your 4.5ltr. It's not on their horizon

You're simply coming across as having self esteem issues, being worried about RG's developments. I for one would be concerned about doing business with you on the basis of these posts.

All IMHO.

When I was in sales, I was taught to never stoop so low as to knock a oompetitor or their products. It smacks of unprofessionalism. I think that RG's silence is laudable, and their refusal to get dragged into this sort of thing speaks volumes about how professional they are.

Again, all IMHO.

[stimshady]

i find this highly amusing!

[Robertjp]

Tvr Power said:

Robertjp said:

Just had the privilidge of seeing Doms 4.5....that is some serious kit. I wish i had some cash...oh wait a minute the reason i dont have any right now? Ah yes...my Tuscan.

Pascal - do you have an ETA yet?

If you time it right could you pick up then do a short hop to Chatsworth at the TVR meet for us all to see?

All of this development can only help us 'standard' speed 6 owners IMO...

Pascal & RG your both scared of my kick ass 4.5ltr speed six ,my engine is Considerably bigger faster and more reliable than yours

[Robertjp]

T40ORA said:

Let it go, man.

If you have a good product it will sell itself. Neither RG nor Pascal could give a st about your 4.5ltr. It's not on their horizon

You're simply coming across as having self esteem issues, being worried about RG's developments. I for one would be concerned about doing business with you on the basis of these posts.

All IMHO.

When I was in sales, I was taught to never stoop so low as to knock a oompetitor or their products. It smacks of unprofessionalism. I think that RG's silence is laudable, and their refusal to get dragged into this sort of thing speaks volumes about how professional they are.

Again, all IMHO.

Oh c'mon, stop taking the bait!!
chill

[Mark A S]

Was that charm school ??, you smoothy you

Get my email Dom??

[T40ORA]

Robertjp said:

Oh c'mon, stop taking the bait!!
chill

Actually, I am chilled. But re-reading this I can see how you might have thought I wasn't. I guess it's just a bit of harmless fun. As Dom says, "Barter", although I think he means banter, or badinage.

Any-hoo, in that vein.

Hey Dom, you must have damned turtle heads mate? Bet you are cacking yourself. When Pascal posts those figures for his S/C FFF.... Whooeee. And so soon? Blimey, you're waaaay behind.

When will your S/C one be ready? Another 12 months? Man you'll have missed the boat.... Still, you can squeeze a few more ccs out of that design before you have to be creative. 4.3, 4.5, reckon you can get 4.7...? Before it goes



Just a bit of Barter

Edited by T40ORA on Tuesday 26th January 20:18

[Tamster.]

It would be interesting to see the RG/TVR Power S6's normally aspirated engine's run up on an independant dyno to form an unbiased opinion, if you engine guru's need a volunteer you are welcome to my humble 4 litre factory effort as security!

[T40ORA]

I failed miserably, but Dom was going to try to organise some sort of comparison track day. Probably more meaningful than numbers.

But yeah, using an indie would be good for that comparison.

[T40ORA]

Tvr Power said:

For sure FFF will make good numbers, but what a shame you have to go that avenue simply because you cant make normally asperated power....

Dunno what mine will make, but I'll post the figures when I get around to it. 6 or more weeks without being able to drive so probably not until some time in March/April I guess.

[T40ORA]

Well try to find a suitable venue, and date, and get a few peeps involved. Yours, RGs, Dulfords....

[T40ORA]

Tvr Power said:

do you have a 4 ltr FFF engine ?

Dom

Yeah; put about 12k on it so far.

[T40ORA]

Need to get it re-mapped before I test it on the RR.

[PascalBuyens]

V8 GRF said:

PascalBuyens said:

-Jamie- said:

The car was looking good pascal! I think the front bonnet should of come off though!
And Lee the tamora was looking mighty fine!

Should have either put mirrors in the engine bay, or put the car sideways... Front bonnet off would leave too much bodywork missing IMO...

Yes couldn't get close enough to have a good look.

Any chance of some pictures Pascal?

Please

Thing is, owning nothing but English cars (and thus obviously having to suffer with the unreliability of them) I didn't get round to taking proper ones myself, as my RRS broke down on the day I had to pick the car up from the Birmingham show.

For those "non believers" that my car will ever get ready: yes, it's taken RG more then 2 years, and without wanting to brag or show off, but the engine in my car is FAR above any other Speed Six out there in terms of design/materials used. As for those slagging off the build time, sorry, but you do NOT have a clue of what is used in my engine, you do not have a clue of what specs it's been build to, you do not have a clue of what has been developed to get to this engine. Yes, there has been a lot of development work done, and yes, i may be the first to use ALL of it, but I am VERY confident in Racing Green's capabilities. And sorry, they are NO copycats, the things used on my engine (which are also on Lee's and other FFF engines to some extent) are a lot more developed than what some people on here claim they've copied from them (without calling names, but I think you know who you are). Think if I would show some picture of the build stage, you'd be surprised...

Right... the numbers. As I said before, since you're all so keen on it, will be put up when it's all finished. I can easily say in true "Rolls Royce" style, there'll be sufficient power. Currently the car is at Omex (who designed the supercharger kit) to have it remapped. After that, there are some small things that still need to be done to the car (nothing to do with the engine, just finishing small things (like replacing a worn wheel bearing and setting up the geometry properly), but I do want the car to be perfect in every aspect. And so far, RG has been doing a good job on that.

As for that matter, bear in mind that the "rebuild" has gone from a pretty "standard" Speed Six rebuild (with finger followers, on which I decided to get out of), to the stage it is in now. And for what it matters, this is the fourth reincarnation of engine in my car. Not because Racing Green is lacking in terms of delivery, by far, they've always been keeping me up to date correctly. The problem here is that the owner of the car does know what he wants, and as my friend Lee says, what Pascal wants, Pascal usually gets...

[PascalBuyens]

T40ORA said:

PascalBuyens said:

T40ORA said:

TVR_owner said:

T40ORA said:

It is a fabulous piece of work, looks great, sounds amazing - and will go like stink when it is run in and mapped.

I see the mapping as the difficult part.

Dunno enough about the technologogy and engineering to understand the pitfalls, but I've been up and spoken to Richard at Omex (I swung in and had a nose around on the way back from the NEC) and he see's no problems.

He has some interesting S/C'd pieces of kit that he's getting nice figures from so I don't think it's BS.

Tee hee; he has a mad 400bhp Morris 1000 I rather like, and a more sensible 200bhp Morris Traveller that I'm thinking about stealing

You take the Traveller, I'll take the 1000...

Don't forget we still need to work out the split on the Sp 12......

Yeah, if you're a good boy, I'll let you use it 1 out of the 365 days

[PascalBuyens]

Robertjp said:

Pascal - do you have an ETA yet?

If you time it right could you pick up then do a short hop to Chatsworth at the TVR meet for us all to see?

All of this development can only help us 'standard' speed 6 owners IMO...

When is that meet? I'd be happy to show the car if I can time it into MY schedule...

[PascalBuyens]

Tvr Power said:

Robertjp said:

Just had the privilidge of seeing Doms 4.5....that is some serious kit. I wish i had some cash...oh wait a minute the reason i dont have any right now? Ah yes...my Tuscan.

Pascal - do you have an ETA yet?

If you time it right could you pick up then do a short hop to Chatsworth at the TVR meet for us all to see?

All of this development can only help us 'standard' speed 6 owners IMO...

Pascal & RG your both scared of my kick ass 4.5ltr speed six ,my engine is Considerably bigger faster and more reliable than yours

Let me know when I need to give you your wake up call tomorrow morning...

[TVR_owner]

PascalBuyens said:

For those "non believers" that my car will ever get ready: yes, it's taken RG more then 2 years, and without wanting to brag or show off, but the engine in my car is FAR above any other Speed Six out there in terms of design/materials used. As for those slagging off the build time, sorry, but you do NOT have a clue of what is used in my engine, you do not have a clue of what specs it's been build to, you do not have a clue of what has been developed to get to this engine. Yes, there has been a lot of development work done, and yes, i may be the first to use ALL of it, but I am VERY confident in Racing Green's capabilities. And sorry, they are NO copycats, the things used on my engine (which are also on Lee's and other FFF engines to some extent) are a lot more developed than what some people on here claim they've copied from them (without calling names, but I think you know who you are). Think if I would show some picture of the build stage, you'd be surprised...

With respect Pascal, two years is a long time if you were told it would take a lot less than that. Is it a long time to get to where you are now? don't know because no one knows at what stage in sucessful development you Omex and RG are - on the down side you may just be at the start of serious grief.

Your post has an air of arrogance, as have Dom's in a very different way, that I wondered if we would ever see in the speed six engines life - its refreshing.

[TVR_owner]

Tvr Power said:

T40ORA said:

Need to get it re-mapped before I test it on the RR.

12000 miles and RG haven't mapped a new developed engine.... Unbelievable


Dom

Not wanting to be a knocker of RG, but I agree 100%.

[PascalBuyens]

TVR_owner said:

PascalBuyens said:

For those "non believers" that my car will ever get ready: yes, it's taken RG more then 2 years, and without wanting to brag or show off, but the engine in my car is FAR above any other Speed Six out there in terms of design/materials used. As for those slagging off the build time, sorry, but you do NOT have a clue of what is used in my engine, you do not have a clue of what specs it's been build to, you do not have a clue of what has been developed to get to this engine. Yes, there has been a lot of development work done, and yes, i may be the first to use ALL of it, but I am VERY confident in Racing Green's capabilities. And sorry, they are NO copycats, the things used on my engine (which are also on Lee's and other FFF engines to some extent) are a lot more developed than what some people on here claim they've copied from them (without calling names, but I think you know who you are). Think if I would show some picture of the build stage, you'd be surprised...

With respect Pascal, two years is a long time if you were told it would take a lot less than that. Is it a long time to get to where you are now? don't know because no one knows at what stage in sucessful development you Omex and RG are - on the down side you may just be at the start of serious grief.

Your post has an air of arrogance, as have Dom's in a very different way, that I wondered if we would ever see in the speed six engines life - its refreshing.

John,

Totally agree with you that two years IS a long time, that's why I also gave a small hint to the "fourth incarnation" of the engine.

When my engine broke down on 19 April 2007 (won't go into detail to what happened, I thought Dom and I had a kind of "gentleman's agreement" when we settled some things that happened in the past with a set of Nitrons, but somehow you're right, every post I make on here seems to end up in another "my engine is better than yours, my little friend", which kind of gets a bit annoying in the long term, and not only to me as you've noticed on here), I decided NOT to go for a TVR Power rebuild, and went to Racing Green instead. I had my reasons to do so. (and again, I stick to my end of the "deal" by not going into detail about it anymore on here)

From day one that I left the engine with RG (May 5th, 2007 for the record) I had been told they could either do a standard rebuild in a few days, or I could wait and go for a new design of conrods (let me refer to them as an H-style pattern) and finger followers. I decided to go for it, and knew very well that the engine would only be ready near October 2007. As things went along, I decided to go for the best possible options (as I live in Belgium I do want things to be reliable, contrary to what it might seem like), and it's ME who made changes to my engine's specififations. When Racing Green informed me they were working on a new design for the head, which involved the deletion of the finger followers, I was quite interested from day one, so I decided to let go of the original rebuilt and already improved Speed Six (still with finger followers). Drove the prototype engine and was very impressed by the smoothness and silence of the thing (yes, contradiction as I know TVRs are supposed to be LOUD). Anyway...

I knew that RG told me they would still need to develop the FFF engine before it was production ready (and I've been kept up to date from the start). FWIW, the prototype engine ran in their T350 demo car for months, before they actually wanted to start building customer engines, to make sure it was all reliable. And I think I don't need to testify for other people, who do have a FFF engine in the mean time that they don't have reliability problems with theirs, they can do that for themselves if they want to.

Coming back to mine.... is 2 years and 7 months (so yes Dom, I am closing in on that hattrick) a long time to get to where I am? NO. I started out with a rebuild, and unfortunately for those who've seen the car at the NEC, the changes are underneath (with the car being the Swordfish car, I want the exterior to look exactly the same as it was in the movie). What those changes are, well... Some day I'll get round to posting it all up in a very nice list (make some time to read them all LOL), because I do know when I get round to posting pictures, everyone will understand just how much work and professionalism has been put into this piece of engineering art.

And yes, maybe I do sound arrogant (I've been called a lot worse lately, so I take that as a positive compliment), I'd rather called it very confident about the FFF engine. Do I feel like a "guinea pig" being the first one who goes supercharged? No, in marketing terms, I'm just an early adopter, like I've always been in everything. And without wanting to sound like I've been hired by RG to promote their FFF engine, I hope some of you that need an engine rebuild, will seriously consider this option. It really is an amazing piece of "kit" (sounds denigrating to the work being put in it IMO).

As a teaser... try guessing which one the RG crank is...

[PascalBuyens]

Tvr Power said:

T40ORA said:

Need to get it re-mapped before I test it on the RR.

12000 miles and RG haven't mapped a new developed engine.... Unbelievable


Dom

As unbelievable as a 4.5 that doesn't even have any kind of protection in the dry sump??? I could start slagging off your "terrific" (or should I say terrifying, looking at the state of how the TVR Powered rebuilt engine in mine ended up?) engines too if you want... But read my previous post, ok. You're starting to annoy me, Dom.

Shows once again you know NOTHING about what RG has been doing, and what is happening to Lee's car...

Edited by PascalBuyens on Wednesday 27th January 10:13