New drivers could be banned from driving at night BBC
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49026171
This rears up every few years, seems like they might actually do something about it now though.
New drivers could be banned from travelling at night as part of plans to improve road safety.
Plans for a graduated licence system to restrict novice drivers in England, Scotland and Wales were announced by the Department for Transport (DfT).
This rears up every few years, seems like they might actually do something about it now though.
New drivers could be banned from travelling at night as part of plans to improve road safety.
Plans for a graduated licence system to restrict novice drivers in England, Scotland and Wales were announced by the Department for Transport (DfT).
I don't think driving in the dark was any more dangerous for me or those around me at 17 than driving in the day was .... The problem here is really the attitude to risk and the enthusiasm for both thrill-seeking and showing off that is fairly inherent in young men the world over.
I'm not at all sure what the solution is to that though.
I'm not at all sure what the solution is to that though.
It seems the lessons of the past have already been forgotten: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2359150/T...
Can't help but think this would have a similar impact:- Furthermore, enforcement would be difficult, as the driver at the time would need to be identified; I'm sure Trafpol will enjoy pulling every car to check the driver has driven enough in the day to drive at night. .-.
Furthermore, where would the curfew be defined? Sunset? In which case, young people can no longer drive to / from work for half of the year.
Can't help but think this would have a similar impact:- Furthermore, enforcement would be difficult, as the driver at the time would need to be identified; I'm sure Trafpol will enjoy pulling every car to check the driver has driven enough in the day to drive at night. .-.
Furthermore, where would the curfew be defined? Sunset? In which case, young people can no longer drive to / from work for half of the year.
how did 57 people under the age of 17 pass their practical test?
milfordkong said:
I don't think driving in the dark was any more dangerous for me or those around me at 17 than driving in the day was .... The problem here is really the attitude to risk and the enthusiasm for both thrill-seeking and showing off that is fairly inherent in young men the world over.
I'm not at all sure what the solution is to that though.
completely agree - I wrote a car off about 3 months after passing my test on the way home from school in daylight simply because of poor risk assessment.I'm not at all sure what the solution is to that though.
Edited by NotBenny on Thursday 18th July 14:43
Not supported by a woman who's own 17 year old son was killed in a car crash (as a result speeding and possibly drugs)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-4903...
And I too wouldn't support it. Teach people how to drive at night, don't just leave them to it and hope they work it out for themselves just because some arbitrary time period has passed which may or may not include the middle of winter in Northern Scotland where i gets dark in the middle of the school day (probably)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-4903...
And I too wouldn't support it. Teach people how to drive at night, don't just leave them to it and hope they work it out for themselves just because some arbitrary time period has passed which may or may not include the middle of winter in Northern Scotland where i gets dark in the middle of the school day (probably)
a ban on driving at night time (by either definition of sunset to sun rise or actual night time such as 22:00-06:00) would have negatively impacted my work and school life when I first passed my test so I disagree with the curfew element.
However a graduated license that caps the amount of passengers etc such as in Australia I think is a very good idea, I have fond memories of driving like a tit because my mates were with me, as well as a couple of bumps being distracted by having a car full of idiots, so I think a cap on passengers for the fist few months/year is a must.
However a graduated license that caps the amount of passengers etc such as in Australia I think is a very good idea, I have fond memories of driving like a tit because my mates were with me, as well as a couple of bumps being distracted by having a car full of idiots, so I think a cap on passengers for the fist few months/year is a must.
I think compulsory eye tests would be more useful. Commuting In the winter after dark I often come across drivers who brake every time a car comes in the opposite direction, I'm pretty sure it's because they can't see properly.
When I was a young driver, I didn't necessarily wait until after dark to drive like a t
t either. 
When I was a young driver, I didn't necessarily wait until after dark to drive like a t
t either. milfordkong said:
I don't think driving in the dark was any more dangerous for me or those around me at 17 than driving in the day was .... The problem here is really the attitude to risk and the enthusiasm for both thrill-seeking and showing off that is fairly inherent in young men the world over.
I'm not at all sure what the solution is to that though.
Yep, that's my view as well. I'm not at all sure what the solution is to that though.
Much like hire cars, I'm fairly certain my Mum's 60bhp Corsa was the quickest thing out there when I was at the wheel. Certainly quick enough for me to have plenty of near-misses in both daylight and night-time hours.
It would be a shame to impose something on all young drivers when it's only a certain proportion who will benefit. I had a washing-up job at a hotel during 6th Form and that would result in some night-time drives back home. To restrict sensible drivers to daytime only jobs would be a shame.
It seems any crackpot idea can be put forward to become legislation provided it's either passed off as being "for safety" or "the environment".
When I was a newly qualified driver I had to be able to drive at night to get to and from work and college, also I often had to pick my Mother
up from work as she was widowed and didn't like driving herself.
I'm sure there's plenty of other 17/18 year olds that have the same problems, are they supposed to give up work, college or university
because of some idiotic plan? Lunacy.
When I was a newly qualified driver I had to be able to drive at night to get to and from work and college, also I often had to pick my Mother
up from work as she was widowed and didn't like driving herself.
I'm sure there's plenty of other 17/18 year olds that have the same problems, are they supposed to give up work, college or university
because of some idiotic plan? Lunacy.
It'll never happen.
It would be counter productive, as it would mean that there'd be young drivers chasing the sunset like a motoring hoard of reverse-vampires, to get home and off the road before nightfall. That'd cause more accidents than it prevented.
It'd mean that a new driver who wanted to work a 09:00 to 17:00 shift in the winter, couldn't use a car to commute given the short daylight times.
It would be counter productive, as it would mean that there'd be young drivers chasing the sunset like a motoring hoard of reverse-vampires, to get home and off the road before nightfall. That'd cause more accidents than it prevented.
It'd mean that a new driver who wanted to work a 09:00 to 17:00 shift in the winter, couldn't use a car to commute given the short daylight times.
milfordkong said:
I don't think driving in the dark was any more dangerous for me or those around me at 17 than driving in the day was .... The problem here is really the attitude to risk and the enthusiasm for both thrill-seeking and showing off that is fairly inherent in young men the world over.
I'm not at all sure what the solution is to that though.
thats the issue not the aspect of actually driving at nightI'm not at all sure what the solution is to that though.
i was a hooligan when i passed my test at 17. I really did think i was Colin McRae. I had a near miss and spun my car, luckily not hitting anything or anybody. I think education is the key. Show people car accidents, dead bodies if need be. It has finally started working on smoking, what with pictures of people dying, diseased lungs etc.
Daniel1 said:
thats the issue not the aspect of actually driving at night
i was a hooligan when i passed my test at 17. I really did think i was Colin McRae. I had a near miss and spun my car, luckily not hitting anything or anybody. I think education is the key. Show people car accidents, dead bodies if need be. It has finally started working on smoking, what with pictures of people dying, diseased lungs etc.
Totally agree.i was a hooligan when i passed my test at 17. I really did think i was Colin McRae. I had a near miss and spun my car, luckily not hitting anything or anybody. I think education is the key. Show people car accidents, dead bodies if need be. It has finally started working on smoking, what with pictures of people dying, diseased lungs etc.
A mate wrapping himself round a tree one afternoon pretty much changed my attitude behind the wheel instantly. I was never a complete tit, but it was a serious wake up call.
Banning night driving is ludicrous... why not ban driving in adverse weather whilst they're at it or if there's a low sun or the roads are busy. Idiots will be idiots regardless of the road conditions. Education / shock tactics.
Completely unenforceable.
What is night time? Is it set times, time before/after official sunset? What if it's a cloudy day? What about mid-summer when it's light practically all the time in the north of Scotland?
What happens if I set off in good time and get caught in a traffic jam?
I suspect this one will make headlines for a day or two and then be quietly lost behind the legislative sofa.
What is night time? Is it set times, time before/after official sunset? What if it's a cloudy day? What about mid-summer when it's light practically all the time in the north of Scotland?
What happens if I set off in good time and get caught in a traffic jam?
I suspect this one will make headlines for a day or two and then be quietly lost behind the legislative sofa.
Davie said:
Daniel1 said:
thats the issue not the aspect of actually driving at night
i was a hooligan when i passed my test at 17. I really did think i was Colin McRae. I had a near miss and spun my car, luckily not hitting anything or anybody. I think education is the key. Show people car accidents, dead bodies if need be. It has finally started working on smoking, what with pictures of people dying, diseased lungs etc.
Totally agree.i was a hooligan when i passed my test at 17. I really did think i was Colin McRae. I had a near miss and spun my car, luckily not hitting anything or anybody. I think education is the key. Show people car accidents, dead bodies if need be. It has finally started working on smoking, what with pictures of people dying, diseased lungs etc.
A mate wrapping himself round a tree one afternoon pretty much changed my attitude behind the wheel instantly. I was never a complete tit, but it was a serious wake up call.
Banning night driving is ludicrous... why not ban driving in adverse weather whilst they're at it or if there's a low sun or the roads are busy. Idiots will be idiots regardless of the road conditions. Education / shock tactics.
I remember specifically, in my old Polo about 2 months after I passed my test, driving like a complete wazzock with 4 mates squeezed in the car, none of whom had their own car anyway, just being caught up "in the moment" of being the one who was in control. Came close to hitting an oncoming scaffolding lorry but all laughed it off and got stuck in some traffic
Next morning we arrive at school to discover one of our classmates had been killed in very similar circumstances and was the cause of all the traffic the night before.
mat205125 said:
It'd mean that a new driver who wanted to work a 09:00 to 17:00 shift in the winter, couldn't use a car to commute given the short daylight times.
No, it won't mean that at all. It's not when dark, it's "at night". There will be a set curfew, say 10:30pm-5am. The idea is not to stop people coming home from work, but to stop people coming home from clubbing at 2am with 4 mates in the car. The big young driver KSI claims are shown to occur predominantly in the early hours.
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